men living beyond 200 years, fiction? or bad interpretation?

[iholdit]

look there is no debate that man did not live past 200 years. they did not.

I started this thread to find out if it is interpretation error OR fiction

I started this thread and made no option for imagination

the earth was not created in 6 days
man evolved, he was not created
there was no worldwide flood
man spoke many languages before the tower of babal
there was no ark
woman did not come from mans rib
there was no talking snake
we are all not inbreed from adam and eve
AND man did not live as long as stated

You must have witnessed the earths creation, man evolving, the entire timeframe of earths existence in order to rule out a worldwide flood and an ark, womans creation, every snake that has ever existed in order to rule out a talking snake, humans initial lineage and every person on earths lifespan since the first human because you apparently dont believe anything that you havent observed in your lifetime.

That would make you older than 900+. Or are you arguing that the earth is less than 120 years old because you were there from the begining?

Its actually funny how you say the bible is a lie and yet you use around120 years old as a limitation for humans, considering that actually comes from the bible. Gen 6:3 "And the lord said, My spirit shall not always abide with man, for that he also is flesh : yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years."

So if the bible is full of lies, then i guess you were lying when you said man lives to 120 years old tops? Or perhaps some people actually lived to around 120 years old during that time. And perhaps if people actually lived to 120 years in a time period that you suggest they only lived to be around 30 years old, then maybe as already suggested you are looking at average lifespan when you should be looking at maximum lifespan.

If the bible was correct that human lifespan had a limitation of around 120 years in normal circumstances under later conditions, then perhaps the bible was also right about longer lifespans in earlier times. But i know, im not allowed to ask what ifs and you know the bible is a lie because you were there to witness the creation of the earth and everything that happened after it.

You certainly live up to your name.

 

[kylixguru]

no one has ever lived beyond 200 or even close.

I don't recall the title of the research paper where I got the data on the sun-gazer who lived to be over 200 years old. Bear in mind, this person was not living a normal life. Living with very little reliance upon solid foods certainly would impact a person's longevity. And, besides, I am not of the opinion Adam was one single person so I could care less either way.

You don't know for a fact that no single person has never lived beyond 200 years.
You are merely assuming what you are based on what appears to be the norm.
You are making up your own interpretation of what you think the Bible says.
You are outright dismissing anyone's attempt to present a cogent interpretation.

 

[Rakhel]

fair enough and rational

interpretation then.?

they knew time very well there very lives depended on it.

they followed the soltices very carefully, there were even holdays yearly for this in that time.


one of the reason for the older ages was the previous pagan myths the hebrews took as there own. They could not have the pagans with there heros living longer then the hebrews heros. so walla! instant long life.

mythical figure in that time had long lives, this was common knowledge among them.

Two different responses for the same statement? Interesting.


BTW, the holidays were not instituted until AFTER the Hebrews left Egypt. Not before.

 

[outhouse]

OK lets play it your way LOL this ought to be hysterical.

how did man get to live 800-900 years in scripture

 

[kylixguru]

OK lets play it your way LOL this ought to be hysterical.

how did man get to live 800-900 years in scripture

I already told you. I said Adam, Eve, Cain, Abel, etc. represent societal bodies. You could give me a birth date and a death date for the Roman empire. How old was Rome when it died?

 

[outhouse]

I already told you. I said Adam, Eve, Cain, Abel, etc. represent societal bodies. You could give me a birth date and a death date for the Roman empire. How old was Rome when it died?

ok

my personal opinion is your in left field, way out in left field and I dont find your interpretation credibal or valid.

either way your saying its interpretation error that man did not live to 800- 900 years ever.

I can respect that though i dont follow the view

 

[kylixguru]

ok

my personal opinion is your in left field, way out in left field and I dont find your interpretation credibal or valid.

either way your saying its interpretation error that man did not live to 800- 900 years ever.

I can respect that though i dont follow the view

I understand. There is a substantial amount of metaphor that has to be penetrated before what you get out of it becomes cogent. There isn't any specific place that spells it out in an obvious way. But, I have put a lot of hints and clues in other posts I've made in these forums if after I'm gone and you want to try and puzzle it together.

 

[iholdit]

ok

my personal opinion is your in left field, way out in left field and I dont find your interpretation credibal or valid.

either way your saying its interpretation error that man did not live to 800- 900 years ever.

I can respect that though i dont follow the view

Actually jbugs interpretation is not unheard of.

I also have given my explanation of a possible gene that existed for longevity which has since been mutated, or a possible diet or specific food or chemical which increased lifespan. The epigenetic effects could have also increased the effect of the diet etc on lifespan. It could also be a combination of all of those.

 

[outhouse]

Actually jbugs interpretation is not unheard of.

I also have given my explanation of a possible gene that existed for longevity which has since been mutated, or a possible diet or specific food or chemical which increased lifespan. The epigenetic effects could have also increased the effect of the diet etc on lifespan. It could also be a combination of all of those.

thats fine but not a choice in this thread. its also not possible, its more fantasy then anything else.

if that were the case we would see older fossils in the 200,000 year run of the homo sapiens.

you have 0 evidence on your behalf

 

[RevKen]

Methusela lived 187 years, seems impossible, but ask your doctor if every cell in your body renews itself every 7 to 11 years, he will say yes but he cant tell you why we still get old and die.
when sin entered into us the cells still renew has God made them, but the rejuvenation of our bodies stopped.

Ken

 

[RevKen]

yes we do

The bible has never been a accurate history or science book. No man has ever lived as long as they claim. The population of the earth when the biblical accounts took place was widespread. Adam and Eve were fictional charactors probably taken from the sumerian creation story.

Adam and Eve were real Adam means to blush in the cheek, a white Caucasian. If your grandfather died at 10 years old you would not be here, we can all be traced back through our ancestors right back to Adam if you are Caucacasian.

Ken

 

[outhouse]

we can all be traced back through our ancestors right back to Adam if you are Caucacasian.

wrong, laughable wrong. adam is a myth

Adam and Eve were real Adam means to blush in the cheek

you might want to check that or atleast post your source.

The bible has never been a accurate history or science book.

correct

Adam and Eve were fictional charactors probably taken from the sumerian creation story.

correct, taken from adamu who was also created from dirt

 

[Rakhel]

first Adam means red. Second, Caucasians(regardless of what the term means now) were not just and only white. They were people from the Caucus Mountains and included everyone from Russians and Georgians to Jews, Syrians and Persians
Caucasian peoples - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[outhouse]

first Adam means red. Second, Caucasians(regardless of what the term means now) were not just and only white. They were people from the Caucus Mountains and included everyone from Russians and Georgians to Jews, Syrians and Persians
Caucasian peoples - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I think theres 20 different meanings for adam, depending on when it was written and what language you want to refference.

I think i would go with yours since hebrews wrote the bible lol

 

[iholdit]

thats fine but not a choice in this thread. its also not possible, its more fantasy then anything else.

if that were the case we would see older fossils in the 200,000 year run of the homo sapiens.

you have 0 evidence on your behalf

Well there are 2 things you are not recognizing. First we are talking about a limited amount of people ever living this long. Unless your argument is that we have found ever single human fossil ever? If we havent found every fossil its not surprising we havent found the few fossils of people who have lived this long.

The second problem it is very difficult to accurately determine the age of caloric restricted mice who lived twice as long as normal mice, by just looking at their remains.

There have also been skeletal remains that do not fit whats considered "normal". I cant say these are remains of people who lived to be 900 years old but there are certainly a few anomalies in the human fossil record.

 

[outhouse]

Well there are 2 things you are not recognizing. First we are talking about a limited amount of people ever living this long. Unless your argument is that we have found ever single human fossil ever? If we havent found every fossil its not surprising we havent found the few fossils of people who have lived this long.

The second problem it is very difficult to accurately determine the age of caloric restricted mice who lived twice as long as normal mice, by just looking at their remains.

There have also been skeletal remains that do not fit whats considered "normal". I cant say these are remains of people who lived to be 900 years old but there are certainly a few anomalies in the human fossil record.

I know you want the old myths to be true, but your basing everything you have posted on imagination nothing more. I wish for you it was different

heres a little history of the hebrew culture

they were a people with nothing of there own, tribes more then anything from different cultures of the area. People of that time believed in a wide assortment of pagan gods that sprang up on every corner.

everyone had a religion and these tribes who assembled together so they created one

it just so happens these people from egyption and sumerian culture as well as many other people assembled these previous myths into one that would fit there language, there need's and there personal beliefs. These previous cultures all had divinity's that lived for hundreds and hundreds of years. So guess what this brand new religion that just sprang up out of nothing magically had heros that lived a long time to.

Now my point

is that while writing this or editing the many books either from the original language to early hebrew transalation errors whould have sided on the favor of old age

im starting to lean %75 fiction and %25 translation error but I think it could be as high as %95 fiction knowing the history of the fables.

the sooner you realize this old age fiction follows the rest of the fiction very closely, the sooner you will have a real grasp on the reality of the real history of that time.

 

[iholdit]

I know you want the old myths to be true, but your basing everything you have posted on imagination nothing more. I wish for you it was different

heres a little history of the hebrew culture

they were a people with nothing of there own, tribes more then anything from different cultures of the area. People of that time believed in a wide assortment of pagan gods that sprang up on every corner.

everyone had a religion and these tribes who assembled together so they created one

it just so happens these people from egyption and sumerian culture as well as many other people assembled these previous myths into one that would fit there language, there need's and there personal beliefs. These previous cultures all had divinity's that lived for hundreds and hundreds of years. So guess what this brand new religion that just sprang up out of nothing magically had heros that lived a long time to.

Now my point

is that while writing this or editing the many books either from the original language to early hebrew transalation errors whould have sided on the favor of old age

im starting to lean %75 fiction and %25 translation error but I think it could be as high as %95 fiction knowing the history of the fables.

the sooner you realize this old age fiction follows the rest of the fiction very closely, the sooner you will have a real grasp on the reality of the real history of that time.

I do think its funny you seem to believe i dont know anything about the history of the hebrew people. Did you ever consider that maybe several cultures in the area tell very similar stories because all of those cultures witnessed very similar events?

 

[outhouse]

I do think its funny you seem to believe i dont know anything about the history of the hebrew people. Did you ever consider that maybe several cultures in the area tell very similar stories because all of those cultures witnessed very similar events?

no they did not witness similar events.

hebrews were not around to see the original pagan myths being created.

the pagans were talking about mythical beings.

the sooner you realize that no man lived as long as the bible lied about the better off you will be

 

[kylixguru]

the sooner you realize that no man lived as long as the bible lied about the better off you will be

Your interpretation of the Bible is flawed. It is an oracle. Please use it as such or go find something else to do in life.

 

[esmith]

Your interpretation of the Bible is flawed. It is an oracle. Please use it as such or go find something else to do in life.

Did you really mean to use the word "oracle". Doesn't oracle mean: of prophetic opinion, precognition, or predictions? I can see parts of the biblical text having prophetic sayings, but isn't it more of a history of the people of Israel and Judah.