Messiah (pbuh) important to come(come back) to Jews and Chritians ?

[Saint Frankenstein]

Just to throw this in, one of the signs of the approaching Eschaton in traditional Christian eschatology is that the Temple will be rebuilt and the Antichrist will present himself as the false Messiah. No educated Christian who actually believes in Christ would view the rebuilding of the Temple as a good thing.

 

[Godobeyer]

Just to throw this in, one of the signs of the approaching Eschaton in traditional Christian eschatology is that the Temple will be rebuilt and the Antichrist will present himself as the false Messiah. No educated Christian who actually believes in Christ would view the rebuilding of the Temple as a good thing.

In Islam we almost believe the same

we have antichrist (fake Messiah/ Adajal) too ,most of his followers will be Jews .

Then God re-send Jesus(pbuh) to fight anti-christ and to make the God wishes in this world .

that would be a Major sign of last days ?

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

In Islam we almost believe the same

we have antichrist (fake Messiah/ Adajal) too ,most of his followers will be Jews .

Then God re-send Jesus(pbuh) to fight anti-christ and to make the God wishes in this world .

that would be a Major sign of last days ?

Yes, "eschaton" is Greek and means "end of the world". Several Church Fathers have said that the rebuilding of the Temple is one of the signs. Another traditional view is that the Antichrist is supposed to be a Jewish man from the tribe of Dan.

However, if the Dome of the Rock is destroyed, I reckon that they won't get too far in rebuilding the Temple because there would be hundreds of millions of very angry Muslims around the world (I don't blame you, I'd be very angry, too). So I honestly don't see how it is going to happen unless they move the Dome or something.

Either way, it's a very scary thought. Rebuilding of the Temple would also be viewed as blasphemy towards Christ, to Christians. To be honest, I hope I'm dead long before that happens.

 

[jewscout]

This is not Israel !!!!
so what is Israel in geographical area suppose to be .

SInce God let it happened (Temple destructed) , so there is no guarantee ,




We believed that God was chosing Jews in period of time , but since they killed some of the prophet (that is in Torah) and everytime edit His messages (boils) ,God chose other people (that is in the Torah also) .

Btw , why the jews killed some prophets , if they were accept the message of God that they want to deliver to them ?!!!


so Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was not forme new religion , it's same religion of God , intact .

in our liturgy and tradition that land has always been referred to as Eretz Yisrael

and if the Moshiach comes, bringing the final redemption, then the Temple will stand and not be destroyed

I am not here to discuss what happened with the prophets, this is about the concept of messiah, Christianity vs Judaism

perhaps with the coming of Moshiach we will do away with this replacement theology as well

 

[jewscout]

really !!

as I have said before much of Judaism's beliefs about the moshiach are ideas, nothing is cannonized in the way Christianity and Islam have

so there are lots of ideas of how that era will be

 

[metis]

These are believed to be what will happen when the Messiah (whether he be a person or whether it just refers to a time period) arrives:

The Sanhedrin will be re-established (Isaiah 1:26)

Once he is King, leaders of other nations will look to him for guidance (Isaiah 2:4)

The whole world will worship the One God of Israel (Isaiah 2:17)

He will be descended from King David (Isaiah 11:1) via King Solomon (1 Chron. 22:8–10)

The Moshiach will be a man of this world, an observant Jew with "fear of God" (Isaiah 11:2)

Evil and tyranny will not be able to stand before his leadership (Isaiah 11:4)

Knowledge of God will fill the world (Isaiah 11:9)

He will include and attract people from all cultures and nations (Isaiah 11:10)

All Israelites will be returned to their homeland (Isaiah 11:12)

Death will be swallowed up forever (Isaiah 25:8)

There will be no more hunger or illness, and death will cease (Isaiah 25:8)

All of the dead will rise again (Isaiah 26:19)

The Jewish people will experience eternal joy and gladness (Isaiah 51:11)

He will be a messenger of peace (Isaiah 52:7)

Nations will recognize the wrongs they did Israel (Isaiah 52:13–53:5)

For My House (the Temple in Jerusalem) shall be called a house of prayer for all nations (Isaiah 56:3–7)

The peoples of the world will turn to the Jews for spiritual guidance (Zechariah 8:23)

The ruined cities of Israel will be restored (Ezekiel 16:55)

Weapons of war will be destroyed (Ezekiel 39:9)

The Temple will be rebuilt (Ezekiel 40) resuming many of the suspended mitzvoth

He will then perfect the entire world to serve God together (Zephaniah 3:9)

Jews will know the Torah without Study (Jeremiah 31:33)

He will give you all the desires of your heart (Psalms 37:4)

He will take the barren land and make it abundant and fruitful (Isaiah 51:3, Amos 9:13–15, Ezekiel 36:29–30, Isaiah 11:6–9)

 

[Flankerl]

Yes, "eschaton" is Greek and means "end of the world". Several Church Fathers have said that the rebuilding of the Temple is one of the signs. Another traditional view is that the Antichrist is supposed to be a Jewish man from the tribe of Dan.

However, if the Dome of the Rock is destroyed, I reckon that they won't get too far in rebuilding the Temple because there would be hundreds of millions of very angry Muslims around the world (I don't blame you, I'd be very angry, too). So I honestly don't see how it is going to happen unless they move the Dome or something.

Either way, it's a very scary thought. Rebuilding of the Temple would also be viewed as blasphemy towards Christ, to Christians. To be honest, I hope I'm dead long before that happens.

Yeah our messianic era where everyone is happy, understands each other, believes in Hashem without force, basically all Religions cede to exist and everything turns into some big hippie festival is obviously bad.

While its obviously wonderful when your Jesus returns with his sword of fire to smite the unbelievers and pretty much everyone dies who doesnt accept him.

And obviously that is also far easier to accept than mutual understanding in the belief of Hashem which ends up uniting all of humanity through which the Temple is rebuild.



Sounds about right.

 

[Brickjectivity]

Thank you for that list. I notice there is a lot of play in how each these could be read in English, Metis. For example Isaiah 2:4 doesn't specifically mention either a king or any individual person. Isaiah 11:1 doesn't say king or messiah either. Isaiah 52:7 mentions neither king nor messiah.

I cannot find 'King' or 'Messiah' in any of these. It is an interpolation.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Yeah our messianic era where everyone is happy, understands each other, believes in Hashem without force, basically all Religions cede to exist and everything turns into some big hippie festival is obviously bad.

While its obviously wonderful when your Jesus returns with his sword of fire to smite the unbelievers and pretty much everyone dies who doesnt accept him.

And obviously that is also far easier to accept than mutual understanding in the belief of Hashem which ends up uniting all of humanity through which the Temple is rebuild.



Sounds about right.

Have fun with your strawmen.

 

[Brickjectivity]

Yeah our messianic era where everyone is happy, understands each other, believes in Hashem without force, basically all Religions cede to exist and everything turns into some big hippie festival is obviously bad.

While its obviously wonderful when your Jesus returns with his sword of fire to smite the unbelievers and pretty much everyone dies who doesnt accept him.

And obviously that is also far easier to accept than mutual understanding in the belief of Hashem which ends up uniting all of humanity through which the Temple is rebuild.



Sounds about right.

That is just one interpretation. The official RCatholic one. Don't let it get you down.

 

[xkatz]

so Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was not forme new religion , it's same religion of God , intact .

So then why didn't G-d give Muhammad a Torah?

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

That is just one interpretation. The official RCatholic one. Don't let it get you down.

Er, that's the interpretation for almost all of Christianity except for a minority. You also don't have to apologize for it. I'm not.

 

[Thana]

Yeah our messianic era where everyone is happy, understands each other, believes in Hashem without force, basically all Religions cede to exist and everything turns into some big hippie festival is obviously bad.

While its obviously wonderful when your Jesus returns with his sword of fire to smite the unbelievers and pretty much everyone dies who doesnt accept him.

And obviously that is also far easier to accept than mutual understanding in the belief of Hashem which ends up uniting all of humanity through which the Temple is rebuild.



Sounds about right.

Why the mockery?
Just seems to have come from no where

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Why the mockery?
Just seems to have come from no where

That's how she rolls.

 

[Flankerl]

Have fun with your strawmen.

It must be horrible to know that the religion on which your religion is based upon has no armageddon battle in it and only has peace and happiness at the "end".

lol its not even the end. For all we know we might live 100.000 years until Hashem decides to resurrect the dead.

Er, that's the interpretation for almost all of Christianity except for a minority. You also don't have to apologize for it. I'm not.

If you dont disagree with what i wrote how can it be a strawman?

lol

Why the mockery?
Just seems to have come from no where

Which mockery?
The flaming sword thingy with the unbelievers? Aint my fault how other Religions are.

That's how she rolls. Expect nothing else of her.

 

[Thana]

Which mockery?
The flaming sword thingy with the unbelievers? Aint my fault how other Religions are.

It's weird, I've always had a great respect for Judaism and I make sure that I do my best not to offend them, But it's almost never reciprocated.

I wonder why that is...

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

It must be horrible to know that the religion on which your religion is based upon has no armageddon battle in it and only has peace and happiness at the "end".

Christianity is not descended from Phariseeism, as Rabbinical Judaism is. The Pharisees were the opponents of Christ.

lol its not even the end. For all we know we might live 100.000 years until Hashem decides to resurrect the dead.

And who will be resurrected? Chabad says that only Jews will be resurrected. Chabad also says that every Jewish soul is a portion of God, but Chabad is very racist to begin with. They're also the world's largest Jewish organization.
Why is the US Honoring a Racist Rabbi? » CounterPunch: Tells the Facts, Names the Names

If you dont disagree with what i wrote how can it be a strawman?

lol

Because the flaming sword isn't literal. Revelation is written using figurative language. You're also painting a very rosy picture of the Jewish idea of the Messianic Age and contrasting that with an extreme negative image of the Christian Eschaton.

 

[Flankerl]

It's weird, I've always had a great respect for Judaism and I make sure that I do my best not to offend them, But it's almost never reciprocated.

I wonder why that is...

How do i offend Christianity by recalling the Christian Armageddon rather simplistic and comparing it to the Jewish messianic era?

My post wasnt even aimed at you. It was aimed at SF because he seemed unable to understand how the rebuilding of the Temple wouldnt be a problem in the Jewish messianic era, while its rather easy. Far easier than finding a way to destroy all those weapons.

 

[Flankerl]

Christianity is not descended from Phariseeism, as Rabbinical Judaism is. The Pharisees were the opponents of Christ.

Ah yes the Christ killers.

And who will be resurrected? Chabad says that only Jews will be resurrected. Chabad also says that every Jewish soul is a portion of God, but Chabad is very racist to begin with. They're also the world's largest Jewish organization.
Why is the US Honoring a Racist Rabbi? » CounterPunch: Tells the Facts, Names the Names

Please tell me more about stuff you know nothing about.
So a Rabbi said something. Its the rice bag.

There are also idiots who believe he was the moshiach. But their heresy will be rooted out in time. Takes longer in Religions without a real organisation at the top.

Because the flaming sword isn't literal. Revelation is written using figurative language. You're also painting a very rosy picture of the Jewish idea of the Messianic Age and contrasting that with an extreme negative image of the Christian Eschaton.

The problem is that it aint rosy. World peace and mutual understanding are basic principles of the messianic era. Sorry about that i guess. Perhaps we should include some all deciding war against someone?
Perhaps against the Inuit. Never liked them anyway. Sitting in their Igloos and not harming anyone.

Of course the flaming sword isnt literal.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Ah yes the Christ killers.

I'm just pointing out that Rabbinical Judaism is not the Judaism of the ancient Israelites but was just one school that emerged in the 1st century BC. Many people don't seem to realize that. So my religion is not descended from yours. I am not one of those "Judeo-Christian" types.

Please tell me more about stuff you know nothing about.
So a Rabbi said something. Its the rice bag.

There are also idiots who believe he was the moshiach. But their heresy will be rooted out in time. Takes longer in Religions without a real organisation at the top.

Well, please - root out that heresy. It would be nice to have some reminders that the extremist loonies don't represent Judaism in general. It's quite easy to forget at times when your most public and largest Jewish religious organization are extremist loonies.

The problem is that it aint rosy. World peace and mutual understanding are basic principles of the messianic era. Sorry about that i guess. Perhaps we should include some all deciding war against someone?

Of course the flaming sword isnt literal.

And who will be part of the World to Come?