Rakhel
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Because, unless, and until, you have the money to have these genetic tests done, it remains necessary to know who your mother is. Women have affairs, too.
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Messianic Jews vs. Reality
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Kathryn
It was on fire when I laid down on it.
Say it ain't so!
Oh well. I still like my family history and consider myself part Jewish. The photos of my Jewish ancestors are so interesting - they look sort of Greek. They also have an interesting history. They were from Switzerland and were forced to convert to Christianity under Calvin (yes, a long time ago, but our family tree is very well researched and documented). So they did so, but continued to marry into other converted Jewish households. When they came to the US, they changed their name from Rebsamen to Turnipseed - and I have no idea why they thought that was an upgrade!
Anyway, it's just interesting stuff. I don't place any undue importance on it.
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
And people still revere such racist swill?
Sadly, some thrive on it.
muhammad_isa
Veteran Member
It's not racist .. it's true guidance, and common-sense.
Why should a believer want to marry their daughter to a disbeliever?
Don't you wish success for your offspring?
JacobEzra.
Dr. Greenthumb
Who? Me? Show me where I have been a zealous fundamentalist xenophone
After all, just look at Moses, Joseph, and Boaz! Far better that we all emulate Shermana and Pinchas.
JacobEzra.
Dr. Greenthumb
Just stop yourself!
pssh, It was random. I didn't know if you was calling me it or Shermana.
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
What does belief have to do with race? Not a damn thing, kiddo.
TheKnight
Guardian of Life
I don't know if you realize this, and I noticed it wasn't mentioned anywhere in the thread (except for briefly and indirectly), but Jews don't reject Jesus solely because of his heretical teachings. Everything the New Testament says about what Jesus said, did, and how he behaved could be entirely true. In fact, the entirety of the gospels could be true and it wouldn't matter because, and pay close attention to this:
Jesus still would not be considered the Messiah. Everything written about Jesus in the New Testament could be 100% true. And it still wouldn't matter. Why?
Because there is a very specific definition of what the Messiah should be, and Jesus does not fit it. Tanakh gives, while maybe not as specific a definition, an image of what the Messiah will be that Jesus does not fit. In fact, he's not even close.
You say that you came to belief that Jesus is Messiah after long and careful study, I'd be genuinely interested in knowing what you studied because it was in the course of my study of the Bible (OT/NT) that I left Christianity. Not because of the gentile image of Christianity, but because the idea that Jesus is the Messiah is fundamentally incompatible with what Tanakh presents. And I made that conclusion before I was "tainted" by any Rabbinic teachings.
This, ultimately, is the reason that Jews reject Christianity and Messianic Judaism. This is why it is offensive when those who are not even the slightest bit educated about Jewish practice call themselves Jews.
I think this here is what, perhaps, we all need to focus on. What you believe is between you and God. Heretical or not, it is something for you to sort out with Him. If you are born a Jew, then you are a Jew regardless of how you believe or how you practice (at least as far as current understanding is concerned). If you practice Torah, then that's even better.
The fact that you believe in something that, in and of itself isn't heretical, is inconsequential. What matters most is that you follow Torah.
Now, given your rejection of Rabbinic Judaism, I'm not sure what you mean when you say "follow Torah" because I would argue that one could not aptly follow Torah without Rabbinic opinion on certain halakha. And while Jesus did say not to do as the pharisees do, he did say to obey "all that they teach you, for the sit in Moses seat." whatever that means.
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What the heck did that Moabite Ruth ever do for you? Oh, wait, I forgot that the great-grandkid seemed to turn out OK (except, perhaps, for that Bathsheba/Uriah incident) ...
Flankerl
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Oh you... sssshhh.
I learned in this thread that Ruth shoulnt be part of the TaNaKh.
Iam not even sure how many mitzvot one breaks by advocating it because its just that crazy.
If i werent mute i'd probably be speechless.
But this thread is very fun to read.
Turned out even better then expected.
The whole story of David and Samuel probably shouldnt be part of the TaNaKh. Such a not nice affair with David and his... mojo.
I think you recently wrote that Daniel had issues. Well David didnt got issue. David basically was the issue.
I also find it very interesting how some write about the Canaanites as if they were still around. Well they probably are. And they are probably quite jewish.
Actually, an argument can be made that history is written (and framed) by the victors and that Saul got a bum rap ...
JacobEzra.
Dr. Greenthumb
Maybe Shermana is part Canaanite then. I wonder how that would feel.
Some. So, for example, I likes Wise Men and Their Tales but did not much care for Rashi.
JacobEzra.
Dr. Greenthumb
I loved Wise men and their tales. Great read
not nom
Well-Known Member
heh, and vice versa.
it's not rocket science to notice the (for lack of a better word) racist aspect of that, really... but I guess while idols are forbidden, strawmen are not ^^
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