Shadow Wolf
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That's too reasonable!! You're no fun!
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Mexican cartels and Trumps wall
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Kinda a classic example of 'common-sense' or less kindly, concrete thinking. In truth it is largely going to depend on whether they are using hobby drones, or military style drones. but we're talking about cartels who use military weaponry, and who want to ship large payloads, so I'd err on the side of assuming military-grade. Assuming you want to take down a drone, and assuming you have the budget to have coverage over a long distance of the border...or wall...then shooting them down isn't the smart option, unless you mean with AA missiles.
You Don't Need to Shoot Down a Drone to Destroy It Anymore
Iran–U.S. RQ-170 incident - Wikipedia
godnotgod
Thou art That
Yes, it is, and I agree that the wall is a psychological symbol. I was just about to say that to psychoslice. It's a false sense of security that would cost what, trillions? Better to spend a fraction of the funds on legalization and administration than criminalization. We are enroute to bankrupting our economy and culture with wars and walls and the loss of human potential.
godnotgod
Thou art That
Well, instead of spending trillions on a wall that won't work, how about one nice thermonuclear bomb dropped in the center of Mexico City, and a moat full of crocodiles all along the border, and.......or we could hire ISIS to cut off all their heads, as you suggested. All good solutions, don'cha think?
It's a trivial technological hurdle to prevent such jamming from destroying a drone.
godnotgod
Thou art That
Just for the sake of anality, that's 'capital', not 'capitol'.
Wow! Golly gee whiz! Sieg Hiel! Can't wait to be on his side, and report my parents to the authorities for infractions of the Trump Rules of Law.
psychoslice
Veteran Member
Capitals, that's just the way I do it, and yes I think he will do a great job, lets just wait and see.
It's kinda pandering, but I started a thread the other day where I used a basic premise that you wanted to reduce illegal immigration, and you had $20 billion to do it, just to try and break the normal 'Wall is good/wall is bad' dichotomy. Didn't entirely work, since many people still wanted to say that a wall was needed because illegal immigration was bad. But anyway, interested in your thoughts...
The Great Wall of Trump
psychoslice
Veteran Member
Yes but again you have to do something, not just sit back and let it all happen, do you agree ?.
Agreed. There will be an arms race with drones, just like any other military weapon. I would envisage that it will be almost impossible (practically) to down drones of military grade over a spread area, and defences will instead be clustered around likely targets.
This approach can defend an airport much more effectively than a border.
The drones, they be a coming.
But of course not all drug smugglers will have access to such technology. Merely pointing out the fallacy of the 'just shoot them down' approach.
godnotgod
Thou art That
"....in August 2015, came what is believed to be the first successful seizure of drone-smuggled narcotics on the U.S. side of the border. Authorities retrieved more than 28 pounds of heroin that had flown to a field near Calexico. Two U.S. residents were arrested while retrieving the packages.
But that was amateur hour, and just a beginning. Drones are cheap and drugs are dear, and such aerial smuggling operations are only likely to increase as the cartels master the technology and pay for better versions of it, which they always do. There won’t be many walls, or any, able to stop the drones completely."
Tunnels, Drones, Jet Skis, and Planes: How the Cartels Beat a Border Wall
'Something' is only better than 'nothing' when it is an effective use of finite resources (ie. 'money')
Otherwise, nothing might be a better choice, since at least you will still have the finite resource remaining for when you do determine a more effective deterrent.
Also, thinking of 'something' ONLY in terms of physical border defence has never been a smart approach.
psychoslice
Veteran Member
Ok I get it, now tell me how you think it should be done, that is without breaking the law ?.
Aye, things will become increasingly interesting.
Especially if government believes increasing its power is the solution to all problems.
godnotgod
Thou art That
Yes, so what is your solution to the voracious American demand for drugs, and the current home-grown drug activity which feeds Wall Street businessmen and the rest of the country?
Who cares?
I get the feeling you didn't quite get what I was trying to say with that post.
psychoslice
Veteran Member
Nothing maybe a better choice ?, gee the drug dealers and all the rest would love you to be president.
psychoslice
Veteran Member
You can only have drugs if their available.
godnotgod
Thou art That
Unless it is already too late, I would say the only effective solution is legalization, decriminalization, and government control on our side of the issue, and perhaps a joint agreement between the US and Mexico for legalization. But one thing: there are thousands and thousands of small farmers throughout South America who depend on the income from the coca plant for their livelihood and survival. Plus there are thousand and thousands of home-grown small time street dealers on this side making tidy profits to feed their families. At least with legalization, a heroin addict can go to a government clinic without fear and get treated and not rely on criminal activity to buy his drug.