esmith
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Swiss drug policy should serve as model: experts
International - Switzerland | Drug War Facts
Just a couple of sources.....You can research it more if you have a desire to.
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Mexican cartels and Trumps wall
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International - Switzerland | Drug War Facts
Just a couple of sources.....You can research it more if you have a desire to.
During prohibition, they had made all drugs and alcohol illegal. Murder and theft has risen a lot after they had made it illegal. The main reason why they had legalized the alcohol, but not the drugs, that a lot of public officials were in the Black market liquor business, and so it was impossible to win that war. But once they has removed it, that the people were able to hold jobs for a while until the liquor destroyed their health. But some children has seen what liquor does to them by watching their parents ill behavior. that they learn to never start that habit. But the crime rate has dropped very low since they legalized it. A lot of death has been happening in the war on drugs, that a lot of innocent lives has been caught up in the cross-fired of bullets and has gotten killed by addicts that were looking to rob someone so that they can have money to buy drugs. And plus it is costing a lot of money for the government to house these addicts in prisons or rehabs centers, and which they can get it while they are incarcerated in those places. We cannot make someone with an addiction problem to remain sober. It is up to them to get tired of that lifestyle. .
Shadow Wolf
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And it's easier to get treatment when we don't lock people up for it.
Shadow Wolf
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That's sad Russia is closed to the idea, and that here we are being very slow and reluctant to warm up to it.
godnotgod
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Oh, did you mean to keep that low life group, the voracious users of drugs, where they should be, contained within the confines of American borders? If you have seen even one TV episode of how deeply and organized hard drug delivery and use has infiltrated Wall Street alone, you would be shocked. We are talking Swiss Cheese here. Understand that drugs are not the problem, but the symptom of a much deeper malaise in the US. But as Robin Williams once joked, speaking from the POV of a South American Indio:
"Oh, you steal our land? Hokeh! So now we give you nice monkey for your back called 'cocaine'"
godnotgod
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Basically, altering drugs with fatally dangerous chemicals to lower the cost is murder.
godnotgod
Thou art That
You have no idea what this man is really up to. Imagine Mussolini in a business suit. Fascist.
As for the wall, go ahead, build it. Mexico will raise her prices for tourism to pay for it. No more cheap Mexican labor to build lavish American homes in Mexico. US controls 70% of Mexican economy. With the wall and limiting American factories there, Mexico can be released slowly from American death grip and eventually stand on her own. NAFTA is a disaster for Mexico. When first passed, American corn growers dumped tons of cheap American corn on their market, driving Indio farmers out of business, displacing over 2 million Mexican workers who headed north to the US to look for work. Monsanto Corp. created 'killer seeds' which destroyed some 18 different native corn varieties in Mexico, further driving Mexican corn growers out of the market, and then replaced these varieties with their own patented hybridized seeds. NAFTA allowed the Mexican government to take homestead land away from indigenous Mayan Indians and begin selling it to rich American corporations. So American involvement in Mexico is not so desirable. It is an octopus. Mexico would have a very difficult time recuperating, but it can do it over the long run.
psychoslice
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Yes and a lot of them are illegals, the prisons are just of them and tax payers have to pay the price to keep them in prison, deport them and let their own pay to keep them.
psychoslice
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Yes its time for them to stand on their own feet, and Trump will help them.
Shadow Wolf
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I do worry that with people insisting all the jobs that went to Mexico and China, they'd eagerly also welcome the work conditions those workers face. We need jobs and economic policy for this century, not the last.
But if it was legal people could buy from a well known drug seller, and if they get fatally altered drugs everybody would know who to hang.
Monk Of Reason
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You don't have to legalize all drugs. In fact that would be kind of stupid. Legalize marijuana because it is safer than alcohol and has had no major medical downsides in any clinical trial. De-criminilize all drugs and treat it as a health issue. Though to do that I guess we would need a comprehensive health plan for the US.
So here is how to defeat the drug cartels. Step one, legalize marijuana and sell it legally and cheaply in the US. This cuts 80% of their profit and makes it extremely expensive to smuggle the harder drugs over. Second step is to get rid of obamacare and imput a single payer healthcare system that catches all citizens. Now de-criminlize all drugs so that we can focus on solving the addiction problems and emptying out our prisons. We will make strides in the war on drugs the likes we have never seen in the states. This collapses the drug cartel economy.
Bonus step is to take effort to make trade deals and focus on making Mexico a more economically stable country that no longer simply is our cheap labor. They can become a powerful ally economically. There is no legitimate reason why Mexico couldn't become just as sucessful as the US and Canada.
esmith
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If so what is your opinion on the following articles?
Marijuana Doesn't Shrink Brains, But It Can Change Them, Studies Find
Neuroscientist studies long-term effects of medical marijuana
Marijuana's Health Effects? Top Scientists Weigh In
Monk Of Reason
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Exactly. All of these have failed to come up with any difinitive negative. The only thing that seems to be a legitimate problem is people with asthma may have their asthma irritated by the smoke. However that has far less to do with the drug itself and far more to do with the inhilation of smoke.
In all three articles they basically say either "we know nothing about negatives" or "we haven't found negatives yet". The only "statistical" negative has to do with mental disorders which most have explained away as being a product of those who are more likely to do illegal drugs than those that don't. Well adjusted and economically stable people are less likely to risk illegal drug use than those that are not. Who would have thought?
But yeah point still stands. Those are great articles. Thank you for sharing them.
Shadow Wolf
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Not one of this indicate any serious health risks of marijuana usage, and certainly nothing that indicates it is even anywhere close to being as potentially dangerous as alcohol (which is the number 2 killer for drugs, with tobacco being number 1 and so far out ahead it kills more than number 2 through everything else combined).
godnotgod
Thou art That
Better yet, why not let the government regulate and certify the purity of the drugs, just as it does with prescription drugs? Even better, I can see a nationwide network of pot dispensing machines. Our government needs to earn its keep.
godnotgod
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Mexicans hate Trump. Trump hates Mexicans. They're better off without his 'help'. What Mexico needs right now is to overcome the horrific and bloody cartel violence, and to cast off the encroaching American domination of her economy and culture. This is not the time to invest (ie 'exploit') in Mexico. It is a time to control the overwhelming demand for drugs from Mexico in the US.
psychoslice
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Look, get this right, they shouldn't be there, do you get that ??>
godnotgod
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It's our fault for ignoring the issue for decades, while taking advantage of cheap Mexican labor when we needed it, then deporting tens of thousands when the need was no longer there. Your 'solution' is that of a simpleton, I am afraid. The problem goes much deeper than mere 'legality'. If you really want to educate yourself re: the background of the problem and how it came to be what it is, see here:
The Hispanic Experience - Stolen Birthright