Mickiel's proof of God.

[mickiel]

Romance is a proof of God, and just as people deny God, some even deny Romance. They are just against it, selfish, would rather be alone than to give themselves to another. Everytime I see a human deny romance, I can see that human nature is prepped to deny God.

And I want to go into that.

Peace.

 

[mickiel]

Here God creates the most astounding thing he has ever created, because obviously thats one of the things God is, a creator. And I won't go into that here, but to examine what a creator is, is very interesting. Anyhow, God is also a distinct planner, he plans things. And in my view, Atheism and evolution was on Gods mind long before he created this universe. One of the mandates of human creation, is confusion. For whatever reasons, and I have my theorys, God wanted his creation of humanity to be first placed in flesh, place our real selves, our consciousness--what we really are, into a human body and then expose it to confusion. Once a human mind understands this, every time they see confusion, they will see God.

And I know that is hard to understand, but the more you see what God has done, is doing, the more you will see him in so many areas. Atheism and Evolution are intelligent confusion.

And I want to go into intelligent confusion.

Peace.

 

[MSizer]

Atheism and Evolution are intelligent confusion.

And I want to go into intelligent confusion.

Peace.

Well, you're half way, cuz well steeped in confusion IMO.

 

[tumbleweed41]

And I want to go into intelligent confusion.

Peace.

And I want to go into willful ignorance and intellectual dishonesty.
You up for it?

 

[Kerr]

Evolution is simply the process of growth. Then the development of that growth, its formation. Notice how quickly the Atheist are trying to break away the meaning of evolution to have nothing to do with how we got here, desperate evasion. The whole pathology of an Atheist is the thought of humanity and reality developing from nothing and growing from there. This rationale, as impossible as it is, proves God to me. One cannot understand God, if you do not understand his adversary.

Evolution is the process of Growth, Atheism is the lack of belief in God, what God has done is to give the world Atheist and Evolutionist in order to further his base of adversary, which proves hes there. Hes giving the defense, and really God has structured their plan of attack, as they strip this world of truth.

And I want to go into that.

Peace.

No, abiogenesis is about how life came to be. Not evolution. If you want to attack something, be sure to attack the right thing.

 

[mickiel]

Intelligent confusion, in which I am suggesting that intelligence does not stop confusion. The most intelligent mind on earth is still subject to confusion. We grab hold to concepts that are not intelligent, yet we are intelligent, and such defines the human constant condition of confusion. The theory of evolution, and it is a theory, not a fact, is a prime example of this intelligent confusion.

Although many here cannot comprehend me when I have said this, but intelligent confusion is evidence to me of a power beyond man, that is confusing mankind intentionally. Even intelligent confusion is proof of God, which I will go into post on that in a few months. Over the next two years I will post over 100 proofs of God, well maybe three years. Even cigarettes are proof of God, the human condition of addiction. This situation he has placed us in, and his efforts to keep us blind of it.

Atheism and Evolution are pitches of velocity that are designed to make our minds miss the truth. Its as simple as that. As complex as American government is, so many intelligent men and women, they still get confused.

Why is that? Why do we grab hold of intelligent confusion, and create groups such as Atheist, create foolishness such as evolution, and then try to make them fit our entire lives?

And I want to go into that.

Peace.

 

[dorsk188]

And I know that is hard to understand, but the more you see what God has done, is doing, the more you will see him in so many areas.

The more you look for the fairies in the garden, the more often you will convince yourself you see them.

You would do yourself a world of good by studying some basic Aristotelian logic. Begin by laying out your premises. Once you establish your premises, then the groundwork is laid for your conclusion. This how you build a "proof". Here's an example:

Premise: Socrates was born in 469 BCE
Premise: Socrates was a human.
Premise: The maximum lifespan of a human being is around 150 years.
Premise: It is 2009 CE (2478 years after Socrates was born)
Conclusion: Socratese is dead.

That's how you build a proof. Lay out your premises, build your case, then the conclusion will be inescapable. What you're doing in all of these threads is scattershot assertions, non sequitors, and never actually defining anything.

 

[tumbleweed41]

And I want to go into willful ignorance and intellectual dishonesty.
You up for it?

Willful Ignorance is the practice or act of intentional and blatant avoidance, disregard or disagreement with facts, empirical evidence and well-founded arguments because they oppose or contradict your own existing personal beliefs.

This practice is most commonly found in the religious ideologies of Creationists and fundamental Christians and Muslims.

Many times it is practiced due to laziness, the fear of the unknown, the fear of being wrong, or sometimes simply close-mindedness.

And I want to go into that.

 

[GiantHouseKey]

Interesting... Entertaining so far. Maybe a bit more dancing would be an improvement?

*sits back and watches the show*

GhK.

 

[mickiel]

That's how you build a proof. Lay out your premises, build your case, then the conclusion will be inescapable. What you're doing in all of these threads is scattershot assertions, non sequitors, and never actually defining anything.

I couldcareless what an Atheist thinks about what I think. You need to remember that and try to school and advise someonelse. I walk alone in my thinking, no one, get this, no one can advise me on how to post. I see worlds within worlds, deception within deception. Like pied pipers, humans are being led into deeper confusion each day, while yet being made to think they are enlightened. As they follow the sound of deception, they get more seduced by the song. Atheism and Evolution are two of the most popular sounds.

And I want to examine why they are proof of a songwriter.

Peace.

 

[cottage]

The concept of evolution itself is a proof of God. The inane aduacity of something comming from nothing is one of the most serious proofs of God I have ever considered. Oh how certain people must rid this world of any concept of God. They will go to serious extremes to put in place unreason, and distort our heritage of comming from a God, and replace it with the insult of being in a liniage with Apes of all things. Such an insult proves God, and also proves the extremes of deception that exist in the human mind.

Note the term evolution. I want to go into this term and show you some interesting deceptions contained within it.

Peace.

You keep speaking of 'proof' - but then offer nothing!

Evolution no more proves God's non-existence than it proves it. It is a scientific theory (which some might say is more of a hypothesis). And as with all scientific theories it is based on probabilities, not dogma, and is subject to continuous development and change. It doesn't explain how the universe came into being; and I'm sorry, but for you to understand evolution as the universe coming from nothing shows wilful ignorance.

 

[Kerr]

Intelligent confusion, in which I am suggesting that intelligence does not stop confusion. The most intelligent mind on earth is still subject to confusion. We grab hold to concepts that are not intelligent, yet we are intelligent, and such defines the human constant condition of confusion. The theory of evolution, and it is a theory, not a fact, is a prime example of this intelligent confusion.

Although many here cannot comprehend me when I have said this, but intelligent confusion is evidence to me of a power beyond man, that is confusing mankind intentionally. Even intelligent confusion is proof of God, which I will go into post on that in a few months. Over the next two years I will post over 100 proofs of God, well maybe three years. Even cigarettes are proof of God, the human condition of addiction. This situation he has placed us in, and his efforts to keep us blind of it.

Atheism and Evolution are pitches of velocity that are designed to make our minds miss the truth. Its as simple as that. As complex as American government is, so many intelligent men and women, they still get confused.

Why is that? Why do we grab hold of intelligent confusion, and create groups such as Atheist, create foolishness such as evolution, and then try to make them fit our entire lives?

And I want to go into that.

Peace.

You assume too much, evolution is at the moment one of the scientific theories that has most support, and creationism happen to have piles of evidence against it.

And once again... it is abiogenesis you originally tried to attack. Not evolution.

 

[GiantHouseKey]

I couldcareless what an Atheist thinks about what I think. You need to remember that and try to school and advise someonelse. I walk alone in my thinking, no one, get this, no one can advise me on how to post. I see worlds within worlds, deception within deception. Like pied pipers, humans are being led into deeper confusion each day, while yet being made to think they are enlightened. As they follow the sound of deception, they get more seduced by the song. Atheism and Evolution are two of the most popular sounds.

And I want to examine why they are proof of a songwriter.

Peace.

So you're saying you're better than atheists as a collective just because they don't believe in God?

GhK.

 

[tumbleweed41]

And I want to go into willful ignorance and intellectual dishonesty.
You up for it?

Intellectual dishonesty is often thought of as the conscious omission of aspects of the truth known or believed to be relevant in the particular context.

However, even if one does not believe in those truths, omitting those truths by ignoring them and hoping that they go away is yet another form of intellectual dishonesty.

Yet another form of intellectual dishonesty may be the misuse of reason and logic to come to preconceived notions about a certain subject.

For instance, one may feel that evolution and the ToE are "evil" and an affront to their personal deity. That person may then misapply reason and logic to back that preconceived notion. Attempting to "prove" the existence of their personal deity, while ignoring all evidence contrary to their preconceived notions.
Although they know the evidence is there, their dishonesty comes from intentionally disregarding it.
Intellectual dishonesty could also be unintentional (due to self deception) and does not necessarily have to be conscious deception.


And I want to go into that.

 

[mickiel]

I couldcareless what an Atheist thinks about what I think. You need to remember that and try to school and advise someonelse. I walk alone in my thinking, no one, get this, no one can advise me on how to post. I see worlds within worlds, deception within deception. Like pied pipers, humans are being led into deeper confusion each day, while yet being made to think they are enlightened. As they follow the sound of deception, they get more seduced by the song. Atheism and Evolution are two of the most popular sounds.

And I want to examine why they are proof of a songwriter.

Peace.

You slap a person in the face, the evidence of it will be the redness on their skin. God has slapped humanity in the face and the evidence of it is Atheism and Evolution. Perminent marks of confusion, deeply imbeded signs of a God. A most powerful God too. Its like imprisioning someone, who then turns around and argues to stay in prision. Evolution is an arguement to stay blind, Atheism is an attemp to convince oneself of staying blind.

A familuar song to me, and it proves to me a most powerful influence exist outside of mankind. Blind people refusing to see. Ignorance that falls in love with the ignorance. A perfect swan song written by what must be a great power.

And I want to go into that.

Peace.

 

[Perfect Circle]

I couldcareless what an Atheist thinks about what I think. You need to remember that and try to school and advise someonelse. I walk alone in my thinking, no one, get this, no one can advise me on how to post. I see worlds within worlds, deception within deception. Like pied pipers, humans are being led into deeper confusion each day, while yet being made to think they are enlightened. As they follow the sound of deception, they get more seduced by the song. Atheism and Evolution are two of the most popular sounds.

And I want to examine why they are proof of a songwriter.

Peace.

You obviously do care what atheists think, otherwise you wouldn't be on a debate forum trying to act like you know what you're talking about. Honestly, the half-baked crap that your posting wouldn't be taken seriously by a child. You sitting back and thinking that you're better than everyone, or thinking of something no-one else has, is as worthless as it is funny.

I've got news for you... Everyone has their view on the universe, and I can guaruntee that yours is nothing new. Just because you sat back in your lawn chair one day and thought up a bunch of ways that things could work, then got on an internet forum and started posting big words, doesn't mean you're anywhere near right.

So you just sit there and believe what you want to believe, and the world won't care. It will keep on turning. But if you want to be taken seriously, then how about you come with empirical evidence instead of "god made everything the way it is just to confuse us and I alone figured this out and am obviously smarter than all of you."

I'll stop ranting now... I think god is confusing me into thinking that it's time to leave work and my feeble human mind can't keep up...:cover:

 

[tumbleweed41]

Now the question before us is whether or not the poster in the OP is intentionally being intellectually dishonest, or is the dishonesty a result of pure ignorance?

We could assume that in this enlightened age, the information that is being ignored is available to everyone. And since the poster obviously has access to the worldwide web, it would be easy enough to gain this information.

Thus enters Willful Ignorance. That is, willfully ignoring available facts out of, perhaps, a fear that it is contradictory to the posters preconceived notion on his personal deity.

And I want to get into that.

 

[mickiel]

So you just sit there and believe what you want to believe, and the world won't care. It will keep on turning. But if you want to be taken seriously, then how about you come with empirical evidence instead of "god made everything the way it is just to confuse us and I alone figured this out and am obviously smarter than all of you."



I don't care who takes me seriously or not. I hold no concern to be taken seriously, the evidence I give is for me, not for anyonelse. I hold no need to prove things to others, only to myself.

Goodness, I have said this 1,000 times and Atheist still don't understand it. These proofs are for me, what convinced me. And I am a very stubborn man, yet I am convinced of God and do not even know him. Ignorance is proof of God, which I will go into next year. God has done something strange to me, he has proven himself to me, without even contacting me. And Atheist played a big part in this, so did Christians. I have always wondered why these two groups are so blind, and stubborn in their blindness. Then it hit me, simply because thats how they are supposed to be. But then I examined the why beyond that, because why always leads to why.

Evolution is the process of growth, but growth does not begin itself, the root of growth is God. This is elemental reasoning. But when a person is supposed to be ignorant of elemental reasoning, they will see as they are intended to see. Evolution is a trap of blindness.

And I want to go further into that.

Peace.

 

[cottage]

I couldcareless what an Atheist thinks about what I think. You need to remember that and try to school and advise someonelse. I walk alone in my thinking, no one, get this, no one can advise me on how to post. I see worlds within worlds, deception within deception. Like pied pipers, humans are being led into deeper confusion each day, while yet being made to think they are enlightened. As they follow the sound of deception, they get more seduced by the song. Atheism and Evolution are two of the most popular sounds.

This isn't argument, it is sort of...well...fanaticism, really.

Have to say that this assumed special knowledge, a supposed insight into the 'truth', is not at all unusual among self-absorbed religious folk. Still, at least we've not had the threats and the spectre of eternal suffering in fire and brimstone, which is usually mitigated by the rider: 'I'm not here to threaten, but to warn'.

 

[mickiel]

To love and be loved, a most powerful proof of God. Have you ever had your heart broken by someone? Well Gods way of not revealing himself has broken the heart of humanity. Thats whats really wrong with everyone. We all are reacting to Gods absence.

And I want to go into that.

Peace.