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KWED

Scratching head, scratching knee
Whether or not humans resemble chimpanzees is not the point. Whether or not the DNA is similar to a large degree is part of the point. It is clear to me that humans are vastly different in reasoning and cognitive ability. Again -- no chimpanzee or gorilla or bonobo is able to write music down, or publish a newspaper. I cannot make it clearer than that right now.
The problem you have here is that you are merely making an obvious observation - that chimps cannot write music, but you are not inferring any conclusion from this observation.
What point are you trying to make? What relevance to the shared DNA does the ability, or lack of, to write music have?
What are you claiming this means?

The shared DNA merely indicates a common ancestor. It says nothing about how similar our behaviour or abilities should be. A cat shares 90% of our DNA. It merely shows how far back down the evolutionary tree that species branched off relative to homo sapiens.
However, given enough time, chimps might evolve sufficient brain capacity to write music. Haven't you seen Planet of the Apes?
 

KWED

Scratching head, scratching knee
Do not insult my IQ. All is coherent. Luck is PERSON. You can marry the Luck. Your wife can be Luck. Luck is person. When you have luck, the invisible lady Luck has smiled on you.
A person can have a high IQ and still be incoherently delusional. Just Google John Forbes Nash (not that I'm saying you are a genius, because you are clearly not, just pointing out yet another flaw in your thinking).
 

Truth in love

Well-Known Member
I am for all possible precautions against Covid or any other illness. I approve jabs and masks. God did not / is not going to help us there.

He can, but that's way off the point I was making. Why did so many the "ethical... pro science" journals dismiss the actual research on the effectiveness of the vaccines, makes and other treatments?
 

Truth in love

Well-Known Member
No it means fraud exists in the field. Do you have any peer-reviewed papers that provide evidence for faith healing.
The article sourced 6 papers saying faith healing is not real.






There is a lot of history that has been dismissed among the general public.
The OT is largely influenced by Mesopotamian and other cultures.

The NT is Greek/Persian theology.
Savior deities that resurrected for the benefit of followers was already old by the time the Jewish religion started their story about one.

Nothing in scripture is historical if that is what you mean.

None of it.
Starting with the beginning -

Religion, Identity and the Origins of Ancient Israel

K.L. Sparks, Baptist Pastor, Professor Eastern U.

As a rule, modern scholars do not believe that the Bible's account of early Israel's history provides a wholly accurate portrait of Israel's origins. One reason for this is that the earliest part of Israel's history in Genesis is now regarded as something other than a work of modern history. Its primary author was at best an ancient historian (if a historian at all), who lived long after the events he narrated, and who drew freely from sources that were not historical (legends and theological stories); he was more concerned with theology than with the modern quest to learn 'what actually happened' (Van Seters 1992; Sparks 2002, pp. 37-71; Maidman 2003). As a result, the stories about Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and Joseph are
..."

Enuma Elish - The Babylonian Epic of Creation - Full Text

Genesis/Enuma Elish
The Enuma Elish would later be the inspiration for the Hebrew scribes who created the text now known as the biblical Book of Genesis. Prior to the 19th century CE, the Bible was considered the oldest book in the world and its narratives were thought to be completely original. In the mid-19th century CE, however, European museums, as well as academic and religious institutions, sponsored excavations in Mesopotamia to find physical evidence for historical corroboration of the stories in the Bible. These excavations found quite the opposite, however, in that, once cuneiform was translated, it was understood that a number of biblical narratives were Mesopotamian in origin.


Famous stories such as the Fall of Man and the Great Flood were originally conceived and written down in Sumer, translated and modified later in Babylon, and reworked by the Assyrians before they were used by the Hebrew scribes for the versions which appear in the Bible.


Both Genesis and Enuma Elsih are religious texts which detail and celebrate cultural origins: Genesis describes the origin and founding of the Jewish people under the guidance of the Lord; Enuma Elish recounts the origin and founding of Babylon under the leadership of the god Marduk. Contained in each work is a story of how the cosmos and man were created. Each work begins by describing the watery chaos and primeval darkness that once filled the universe. Then light is created to replace the darkness. Afterward, the heavens are made and in them heavenly bodies are placed. Finally, man is created.


The Epic of Atraḥasis is the fullest Mesopotamian account of the Great Flood, with Atraḥasis in the role of Noah. It was written in the seventeenth century BCE

  • The supreme god Enlil's decision to extinguish mankind by a Great Flood
  • Atraḥasis is warned in a dream
  • Enki explains the dream to Atraḥasis (and betrays the plan)
  • Construction of the Ark
  • Boarding of the Ark
  • Departure
  • The Great Flood

"Nothing in scripture is historical if that is what you mean." There we have it folks the if I don't like it is not. Utterly unscientific and 100% illogical.

I did see an article on faith healing years back (like 20+) As best I can recall it was doubled blind and did indicate some benefit. And no I did not keep a copy or memorize the reference.

We should also keep in mind that the concept of faith healing and the almost uniform hatred of the idea in the pseudo science world makes the experiment a bit like trying to light a fire in the rain.
 

Truth in love

Well-Known Member
There is no evidence that anyone has ever "risen from the dead" (ie. had zero life signs for some time, and then come back to life).
Anecdotes and ancient myths are not "evidence". Simply accepting them without any supporting evidence is not scientific practice - or rational or logical practice either.

Clearly denial is your style.
 

Truth in love

Well-Known Member
If you are claiming that the story in the Bible of Jesus' resurrection is evidence for Jesus' resurrection, there really isn't much anyone can do for you.
Although I do have a lovely bridge you might like to buy?

LOL that's great. You dismiss massive evidence anytime is does not fit your world view and conclude I'm the gullible one?
 

Truth in love

Well-Known Member
Not in any science based subject :tearsofjoy:

Demanding evidence before accepting extraordinary claims is not "sciencism" [sic]. It is called "critical thinking". Surprised they didn't teach you that during under- and postgrad studies. Were your degrees from a mail-order, religious college? :tearsofjoy:

And have more unfounded accusations?
I'm quite familiar with critical thinking. It was far more accepted in my undergrad than my grad program.

But as it appears that to you truth is what you wish not what actually happened there not much point to saying more.
 

KWED

Scratching head, scratching knee
Clearly denial is your style.
If someone makes an extraordinary claim that is impossible under the laws of nature (eg. people rid=sing from the dead), but refuses to provide any evidence to support that claim, then I will dismiss that claim. Seems entirely reasonable.

Clearly, refusing to provide evidence to support your extraordinary claims is your style.
 

KWED

Scratching head, scratching knee
But as it appears that to you truth is what you wish not what actually happened
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Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
He can, but that's way off the point I was making. Why did so many the "ethical... pro science" journals dismiss the actual research on the effectiveness of the vaccines, makes and other treatments?
Well, there are 'for' and 'against' people in all fields. Medicine is no exception.
 
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