Miracles. Scientific Proof.

[YoursTrue]

It's not important to other species, again your point escapes me, could you very specifically explain what this has to do with the complete dearth of evidence for claims for miracles?



Nobody claimed they were? They were apes though, as are humans. Also bonobos chimpanzees, orangutans, and gibbons. You do know the difference between taxonomic groups, as opposed to species right?



Sigh, what's your point?



Humans don't have a need for cars, we have designed them to make travel easier, again your point escapes me. You do understand that cars by definition are unnatural right?



Means a lot to whom, an in what way? Your cryptic comments are nonsensical, and what have they to do with the fantasy of miracles?

Still don't get my point? hmm that's surprising. (or not.) OK, let's start again and see if you understand exactly what I'm saying.
According to what I read so far, there is a very small difference of DNA between chimpanzees and humans. Do you understand that so far? (Let's start, as the song goes, at the very beginning)
"Chimpanzees are humans closest or not, ever since researchers sequenced the chimp genome in 2005, they've recognized that people share about 99% of our DNA with chimpanzees, making them our closest residing relatives. .... People didn't evolve from chimps, as is a frequent false impression."
99% of human DNA is "shared" with chimpanzees. Isn't that something? 99% but -- not all. And, of course, people, they say, did not evolve from chimps. But chimpanzees and humans share, it is claimed, about 99% of oiur DNA, according to that report.
Chimpanzees are Humans Closest Relatives or Not - Primates Park

 

[Truth in love]

People heal. Medical science can explain that.
There is no fixed schedule of recovery from specific conditions. Rate of recovery can vary widely depending on a range of factors.

Never happened.

No.
If you make an extraordinary claim but can't support it, we can dismiss it.

To deny evidence that you don't like and then say is no evidence its not a scientific practice.

 

[Truth in love]

Oh dear.

Bibliophobia??

 

[Truth in love]

Why do so many people who clearly have literally no idea about science, feel qualified to educate scientists on science's flaws?

I don't know I've got a bachelors and masters degree. What I see here often is a cult of scienceism vs people who actually have the foggiest about how science works

 

[YoursTrue]

It's not important to other species, again your point escapes me, could you very specifically explain what this has to do with the complete dearth of evidence for claims for miracles?



Nobody claimed they were? They were apes though, as are humans. Also bonobos chimpanzees, orangutans, and gibbons. You do know the difference between taxonomic groups, as opposed to species right?



Sigh, what's your point?



Humans don't have a need for cars, we have designed them to make travel easier, again your point escapes me. You do understand that cars by definition are unnatural right?



Means a lot to whom, an in what way? Your cryptic comments are nonsensical, and what have they to do with the fantasy of miracles?

well, according to what you seem to be saying, gorillas and chimpanzees do NOT have a need for cars to go from place to place quickly (?), they can swing capably from trees. So they have no desire to invent them, I suppose you think? They also have no desire, according to your theory, to write music or publish newspapers.

 

[Truth in love]

There are no contemporary records of the resurrection. There are only hearsay written long after the event by people with an agenda to promote the idea of a Magical Jesus.

The only near-contemporary, independent records of Jesus do not mention the resurrection, or any other magical stuff. Kinda odd, don't you think? A bit like a biography of Trump not mentioning that he was president of the USA.

Actually no, given the extremely limited records of the time. Lets be honest if CNN and the Dem's had their way they would delete Trump from ever being president from every history book. People tend to not want information around they dislike. BTW John was a first hand witness to the events. Most other writers of the NT were 2nd hand, but not all

 

[Truth in love]

Using mockery to respond to a ridiculous position is a perfectly legitimate method. It's called "satire".

Congratulations you can fail to function well like others

 

[Aupmanyav]

You can review the shunning of covid 19 treatments in journals and reports on the effects of mask for a recent example of this if you wish.

I am for all possible precautions against Covid or any other illness. I approve jabs and masks. God did not / is not going to help us there.

 

[YoursTrue]

You are welcome to disagree, but I spent many years on collage looking for data and noticed that the published journals followed the political trends closely. When a social political value shifted so did published research. If they idea is not fairly popular there is little to no publication. You can review the shunning of covid 19 treatments in journals and reports on the effects of mask for a recent example of this if you wish.

I did something similar but not in college because I did not believe in God when I was in college. So I believed whatever they taught me about evolution because I thought at the time they really "knew." I learned later of the dismissal by publishers of those with whom they did not agree or would be popular.

 

[YoursTrue]

I am for all possible precautions against Covid or any other illness. I approve jabs and masks. God did not / is not going to help us there.

Dogs have to rely upon humans to help them cope with COVID. They don't have colleges to train dogs to do "scientific" research.

 

[YoursTrue]

What objective evidence can you demonstrate that faith healing has any effect beyond a perceived placebo?

Let me clarify. Do I believe that Jesus healed certain ones? Yes. Do I believe these miracles stopped after some time passed? Yes. Do I believe these miraculous events will happen again in the future? Yes, you got it!

 

[Aupmanyav]

Dogs have to rely upon humans to help them cope with COVID. They don't have colleges to train dogs to do "scientific" research.

What is the relevance of dogs in this topic? Keeping any pet is enslaving it. I do not like that.
Yes, dogs rely on humans. Do you mean that humans should rely on God and not take medical treatment for any illness? Taking treatment means not relying on God.

 

[YoursTrue]

It is not "said". It is scientifically demonstrated.

There are also vast differences in thinking between individual humans. Not sure what your point is.

Are you claiming that gorillas cannot learn new skills through example and repetition, just like humans? Are you arguing that gorillas will never be able to read or write at some point in the future?

Right now I'll take their 'word' for it, that there is a slight difference in genetic makeup between chimpanzees and humans. I am claiming that there is a slight but vast difference in that gap between chimps and humans. That's what I'm claiming. Now if you want to offer something different, I'm laughing as I say this, go right ahead. Insofar as I know, NO CHIMPANZEE teaches writing to other chimpanzees. Would you say they don't feel a need to do that?

 

[YoursTrue]

What is the relevance of dogs in this topic? Keeping any pet is enslaving it. I do not like that.
Yes, dogs rely on humans. Do you mean that humans should rely on God and not take medical treatment for any illness? Taking treatment means not relying on God.

My goodness!
I think having an animal is ok as long as a person takes care of it capably and kindly. I am saying it's hard to get some points across, dogs can get covid but they do not feel the "need" to train other canines to do scientific research on this. Try again. I am saying that they do not have the GENETIC CAPACITY to do this. ONLY HUMANS DO.
So let's go back to chimpanzees with that small difference of genetics from humans. Chimpanzees apparently do not feel the need to do scientific research to cope with their illnesses and train other chimpanzees to help them combat an illness. Do you think they do? My, this is a hard item to talk about, since it seems very hard for some to admit or acknowledge that the 2% or less difference between humans and chimpanzees makes a VAST difference of cognitive functioning and ability.
Taking treatment does NOT mean a person does not rely upon God. Is that what you think I believe? I rely upon God and take medical treatment when I deem warranted.

 

[YoursTrue]

I am for all possible precautions against Covid or any other illness. I approve jabs and masks. God did not / is not going to help us there.

Maybe He knew the consequences of man living on their own after Adam and Eve? Have you ever read Matthew chapter 24 & 25?

 

[YoursTrue]

I am for all possible precautions against Covid or any other illness. I approve jabs and masks. God did not / is not going to help us there.

By the way, you know this how?

 

[YoursTrue]

Sheldon: "I don't believe in miracles"

Thesis: Miracles Exist. Proof:
If miracle is impossible, then it is impossible miracle. But latter is definition of a miracle.

ItSo: "That's a tautology".

No. I disagree. No tautology.

ItSo: "Therefore it IS a tautology."

No. Please explain. No tautology.
If miracle is impossible, then it is impossible miracle. No logical error.

ItSo: "If miracles are impossible, they don't happen."

Do not modify text of my proof. It is corrupting it. If I would add a^3 to the Pythagorean theorem a^2+b^2=c^2, it will corrupt it.

F1fan: "How would you test whether miracles happen?"

Physics does not know what is Effect Placebo and what is UFO.

Come to think of it, what IS a miracle? How do you define it?

 

[questfortruth]

Come to think of it, what IS a miracle? How do you define it?

Miracle is violation of known laws of Science.

 

[YoursTrue]

Miracle is violation of known laws of Science.

The word violation is not necessarily the way others would define it. It seems a bit strong regarding a miracle. I looked up the word and see the first sentence in wikipedia (under 'miracle') says: "A miracle is an event that seems inexplicable by natural or scientific laws[2] and accordingly gets attributed to some supernatural or praeternatural cause." It then goes on to give further descriptions.

 

[Aupmanyav]

By the way, you know this how?

Know what? You should be more specific.
Know that jabs masks are useful: Majority medical opinion.
God did not / is not going to help us:
Total cases: 597,886,573, Deaths: 6,462,388
On top of it, God sent Monkeypox and Swine Flu (in India).