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Missouri Republicans vote 104-39 to reject open-carry amendment

We Never Know

No Slack
So you're just going to ignore all the other stuff I mentioned?

The point is that the answer to your question is obvious. Do you not understand why limits exist on weapons?

To obtain a hunting license when I was younger one had to participate in a hunting safety course and it could be taken at school given by department of wildlife conservation or one could go take it there.

I left that off to give you less to complain about.

So now go....

Edit...that driver training must suck

Teen driver safety is a topic that affects all drivers on the road. With 7.8% of all fatal crashes occurring among drivers ages 15 to 20, motor vehicle deaths are the second-leading cause of death for this age group.

Teen Driving Facts and Statistics 2022 | Bankrate
 

ImmortalFlame

Woke gremlin
To obtain a hunting license when I was younger one had to participate in a hunting safety course and it could be taken at school given by department of wildlife conservation or one could go take it there.

I left that off to give you less to complain about.

So now go....
So you still don't get the point I'm making?

You're awfully touchy, grasshopper.
 

We Never Know

No Slack
So you still don't get the point I'm making?

You're awfully touchy, grasshopper.

What point are you making?

Here's your post...

"Sure. Which is why you are generally required to have a license, or be supervised, and follow a long string of safety precautions, and there are strict limits to where you can drive a car. Are in favour of those for guns?"

As I stated...


To obtain a hunting license when I was younger one had to participate in a hunting safety course and it could be taken at school given by department of wildlife conservation or one could go take it there.


And there are strict limits where a minor can take a gun and they cannot conceal and carry or open carry in public places like malls, stores, etc.
 

ImmortalFlame

Woke gremlin
What point are you making?

Here's your post...

"Sure. Which is why you are generally required to have a license, or be supervised, and follow a long string of safety precautions, and there are strict limits to where you can drive a car. Are in favour of those for guns?"

As I stated...


To obtain a hunting license when I was younger one had to participate in a hunting safety course and it could be taken at school given by department of wildlife conservation or one could go take it there.


And there are strict limits where a minor can take a gun and they cannot conceal and carry or open carry in public places like malls, stores, etc.
So, considering all of the above, do you understand that there may exist an answer to your initial question: i.e, why a seventeen year old may need supervision when handling a firearm in a national forest?

Kind of like you are perfectly aware of why there are reasons for strict limits on driving. This is not complicated.
 

We Never Know

No Slack
So, considering all of the above, do you understand that there may exist an answer to your initial question: i.e, why a seventeen year old may need supervision when handling a firearm in a national forest?

Kind of like you are perfectly aware of why there are reasons for strict limits on driving. This is not complicated.

"do you understand that there may exist an answer to your initial question: i.e, why a seventeen year old may need supervision when handling a firearm in a national forest?"

Nope.
 

We Never Know

No Slack
So, considering all of the above, do you understand that there may exist an answer to your initial question: i.e, why a seventeen year old may need supervision when handling a firearm in a national forest?

Kind of like you are perfectly aware of why there are reasons for strict limits on driving. This is not complicated.

And I would rather my 17 years old grandson be out hunting squirrel than driving around on roads full of idiots.
 

Wildswanderer

Veteran Member
So, considering all of the above, do you understand that there may exist an answer to your initial question: i.e, why a seventeen year old may need supervision when handling a firearm in a national forest?

Kind of like you are perfectly aware of why there are reasons for strict limits on driving. This is not complicated.
Well since that seventeen year old has had safety training and 18 year olds go to war, I'm not really sure what your issue is? I was hunting alone at 12 on a farm. I know people tend to want to keep kids in permanent adolescence today by never allowing them responsibility, but that's not healthy.
Hunting accidents are pretty rare as far as people actually being shot. Everything has risks, but just making more laws doesn't change that. Anyway I think it's safe to say that we can all see that the original article was nonsense and there's not armies of 6-year-olds with guns roaming the streets because they didn't make another law.
 

The Kilted Heathen

Crow FreyjasmaðR
They could easily kill someone driving too.
This continues to be an asinine, ten, and eleven counter-point.

Yes, motor vehicles kill people via reckless drivers. And look at all the regulations that we have on vehicles. Like being required to be supervised by someone 21 and over when driving with a permit from 01:00 to 05:00 except to and from a school activity, job, or for an emergency.

And for you and everyone else over 50 who's in here scoffing with "Well back in my day" it's not your day anymore. It's not the 80's anymore. You can't drive around with a Bud Lite in one hand while your kid bounces around in the back seat without a seatbelt anymore. What you did as a kid means absolutely nothing compared to growing up today. Get with the times or sit down, because that mentality is absolutely not helping the situation.
 
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We Never Know

No Slack
Sure. Which is why you are generally required to have a license, or be supervised, and follow a long string of safety precautions, and there are strict limits to where you can drive a car. Are you in favour of those for guns?

I guess you missed my edit...

Edit...that driver training must suck

Teen driver safety is a topic that affects all drivers on the road. With 7.8% of all fatal crashes occurring among drivers ages 15 to 20, motor vehicle deaths are the second-leading cause of death for this age group.

Teen Driving Facts and Statistics 2022 | Bankrate
 

Guitar's Cry

Disciple of Pan
I agree with supervision. Also I would like to see training in how to handle a gun with a test as well as training in how to distinguish say squirrels from dogs and people. Also supervision while still a minor and the parents legally liable for what a kid does.

Absolutely! While all kids are individuals, I think teenagers are still young and not as experienced in general when it comes to managing themselves. I work with teenagers in a rural school district and threats by them aren't uncommon. Knowing they hunt and have access to guns makes even these transient threats a bit more serious. People are at their stupidest when they are angry, and an angry teen with a gun alone isn't a great combination.
 

ImmortalFlame

Woke gremlin
Well since that seventeen year old has had safety training and 18 year olds go to war, I'm not really sure what your issue is? I was hunting alone at 12 on a farm.
So you don't understand the difference between a private farm and a national park?

Look, it's very simple. If I were to ask "Why should I be required to wear a seatbelt?" and you explained "Because it could prevent you from being killed", do you think it makes sense for me to respond by going "But I drove around a car park all last week without putting a seatbelt on! Answer me that then, huh!"

I know people tend to want to keep kids in permanent adolescence today by never allowing them responsibility, but that's not healthy.
Weird how you think supervising kids with weapons is the same as "keeping kids in permanent adolscence". That's not hyperbole at all.

Hunting accidents are pretty rare as far as people actually being shot. Everything has risks, but just making more laws doesn't change that.
Making laws can't make things more safe?
 

We Never Know

No Slack
This continues to be an asinine, ten, and eleven counter-point.

Yes, motor vehicles kill people via reckless drivers. And look at all the regulations that we have on vehicles. Like being required to be supervised by someone 21 and over when driving with a permit from 01:00 to 05:00 except to and from a school activity, job, or for an emergency.

And for you and everyone else over 50 who's in here scoffing with "Well back in my day" it's not your day anymore. It's not the 70's anymore. You can't drive around with a Bud Lite in one hand while your kid bounces around in the back seat without a seatbelt anymore. What you did as a kid means absolutely nothing compared to growing up today. Get with the times or sit down, because that mentality is absolutely not helping the situation.


"Like being required to be supervised by someone 21 and over when driving with a permit from 01:00 to 05:00"

Not for 16 and up
 

ImmortalFlame

Woke gremlin
"Specific restrictions put on gun ownership"

When did we switch to a 17 year old hunting squirrel to gun ownership?
I'm beginning to suspect you're not reading properly.

"Restrictions on gun ownership" includes "things that may be restrictive of you even if you already own a gun", such as requiring adult supervision to minors in certain circumstances.
 

ImmortalFlame

Woke gremlin
I guess you missed my edit...

Edit...that driver training must suck

Teen driver safety is a topic that affects all drivers on the road. With 7.8% of all fatal crashes occurring among drivers ages 15 to 20, motor vehicle deaths are the second-leading cause of death for this age group.

Teen Driving Facts and Statistics 2022 | Bankrate
Which has literally no relevance to the point being made. Other than to highlight that: yes, we put restrictions on things like cars and guns in order to prevent or limit deaths.

I mean. Yes. That's obvious.
 

We Never Know

No Slack
I'm beginning to suspect you're not reading properly.

"Restrictions on gun ownership" includes "things that may be restrictive of you even if you already own a gun", such as requiring adult supervision to minors in certain circumstances.

You aren't reading very well. Its legal for a 17 year old to go squirrel hunting.

You however don't like that and want it changed only because you think at 17 they aren't responsible and need adult supervision (I disagree).

But it ok to send him to war at 18 right?
 
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