Modern Science proves the Authenticity of the Glorious Qur'an

[Gharib]

If you had the capacity to listen to others, there would be no need for the rest of us to keep telling you.

oh, i'm listening to others, but too bad that anything they have to say is not how it is.

No, I do not. Apparently, you think that citing verses that are vaguely written, and then trying to link them to current scientific understanding gives your religion credence - but I don't.

so just because you don't then i'm the idiot huh?

i can say just about the same thing to you.

Two reasons - first, I choose to. Second, I want to take this opportunity to call you on the horse dung that you are trying to sell to everyone else.

what i'm doing here is not for sale, it's free to look at.
but if you do not like it simply because you don't like my religion, well then go join a club or something.

I don't know. If you decide to "lay out" reality, then we'll get the chance to see how I react. So far, it's just been a trip down Delusionary Lane.

no no. i layed out reality and we did see how you reacted. that ain't happening twice.

As poorly as you are doing at providing evidence that the Koran is inerrant, you are even less gifted at playing the martyr.

i'm not a comedian nor an actor, so you are right about that. i may be doing it in the wrong way, but seeing that you are a "smart" man, you should not have a problem in understanding it the way i provide those evidences even if they are all mixed up.

Where did I say that you can't post? You are more than welcome to post - but when you throw loads of feces out there, you need to be prepared to have people point it out to you.

and no one has done so yet. so whats the problem.

LOL - you put this thread in the "General Religious Debates" for that very reason - to lure as many people into it as possible.

so i may have put it in a wrong forum, so what? and even if i wanted to get people to see it, wo what? do you have a problem with that?

Well, several of us are participating - and you don't like the fact that we are summarily rejecting your propaganda drive.

i will like it when you are actually providing evidence and support for your claims just as i did. but just because you don't like it, it doesn't make it untrue.

Get used to it.

i don't have a problem with it.
everyone has a right to an oppinion.

 

[The Voice of Reason]

oh, i'm listening to others, but too bad that anything they have to say is not how it is.

You don't like what others say, so you simply reject reality. As you have already been told - that denial of reality is simply self deluding.

so just because you don't then i'm the idiot huh? i can say just about the same thing to you.

I didn't call you an idiot - but if you feel the tag fits, who am I to argue?

what i'm doing here is not for sale, it's free to look at.

Cow dung is a tough commodity to sell - no wonder you are trying to give it away.

but if you do not like it simply because you don't like my religion, well then go join a club or something.

I have. I joined a website called "Religious Forums". It is a place that enables me to refute ludicrous claims made by zealots, about their particular religion.

no no. i layed out reality and we did see how you reacted. that ain't happening twice.

Getting tired of "spreading the word"? What will Allah think of you, quitting on him like that?

i'm not a comedian nor an actor, so you are right about that. i may be doing it in the wrong way, but seeing that you are a "smart" man, you should not have a problem in understanding it the way i provide those evidences even if they are all mixed up.

Well, a tragic clown, much like Pagliacci. Your problem is that those of us that are participating in this thread understand your posts too well.

so i may have put it in a wrong forum, so what? and even if i wanted to get people to see it, wo what? do you have a problem with that?

You're lying. You put it in the very forum that you wanted to. You put it here to generate readership. If you want blind obedience to your proseltyzing, you should have put it in the Muslim forum, where the rest of us would have ignored it.

i will like it when you are actually providing evidence and support for your claims just as i did. but just because you don't like it, it doesn't make it untrue.

You are correct. It is not untrue because I don't like it - it is untrue of it's own accord.

I don't have a problem with it.

You're sure whining a lot for someone that doesn't have a problem with their religious message being rejected by others.

 

[Gharib]

You don't like what others say, so you simply reject reality. As you have already been told - that denial of reality is simply self deluding.

what reality might that be? it seems you are deluding, since i have not seen any reality come from anyone.

I didn't call you an idiot - but if you feel the tag fits, who am I to argue?

yeah sure anything you say.

Cow dung is a tough commodity to sell - no wonder you are trying to give it away.

have you ever thought of being a comedian, whose jokes aren't worth listening too?

I have. I joined a website called "Religious Forums". It is a place that enables me to refute ludicrous claims made by zealots, about their particular religion.

good for you. i hope it's working out.

Getting tired of "spreading the word"? What will Allah think of you, quitting on him like that?

well actually i'm not quiting, since Allah himself says "i do not guide the wicked", so i can't contradict the quran can i?

Well, a tragic clown, much like Pagliacci. Your problem is that those of us that are participating in this thread understand your posts too well.

ooooooo, you are scaring me. if that is so then i must be the dumbest person in the world. but fortunately i'm not since none of you guys have a clue about what i'm posting.
should i take the word of a scientist or a scare crow, let me think?

You're lying. You put it in the very forum that you wanted to. You put it here to generate readership. If you want blind obedience to your proseltyzing, you should have put it in the Muslim forum, where the rest of us would have ignored it.

ignored it?HA, thats a laugh, so it seems your jokes are worth hearing after all.
do you have any more, or instead open a new thread.

You are correct. It is not untrue because I don't like it - it is untrue of it's own accord.

is that the best you can do?

You're sure whining a lot for someone that doesn't have a problem with their religious message being rejected by others.

oh i don't mind rejection, what i do mind is non muslims speaking about my religion when they know nothing about it. thats what i have a problem with.

 

[FERNPARK]

I definitely think Muhammad was inspired to reveal God's will to the people of that time and in that area. I find many verses in the Quran that align with my own beliefs.

You can't just pick and choose between the different tenets of your Religion. You consequently change the nature of it. In Islam, if you tell someone that you doubt the religion and converted to another, that person is obligated to kill you.

 

[Gharib]

You can't just pick and choose between the different tenets of your Religion. You consequently change the nature of it. In Islam, if you tell someone that you doubt the religion and converted to another, that person is obligated to kill you.

yep another fendamentalist. and how in the world did you come to that conclusion?

do you have any evidence to support your claims?

 

[The Voice of Reason]

yeah sure anything you say.

Such a fine, rapier like wit ...

have you ever thought of being a comedian, whose jokes aren't worth listening too?

Could I use the stage name "Eselam"?

good for you. i hope it's working out.

It's doing well so far. It appears to be getting under your skin.

well actually i'm not quiting, since Allah himself says "i do not guide the wicked", so i can't contradict the quran can i?

Why not? I can (and do).

ooooooo, you are scaring me. if that is so then i must be the dumbest person in the world.

Well, you've put me in a tough spot here. I just don't think I can argue with you on this point.

is that the best you can do?

How do you keep coming up with these retorts? Stunning.

oh i don't mind rejection, what i do mind is non muslims speaking about my religion when they know nothing about it. thats what i have a problem with.

It must suck to be you - problems everywhere, rejection of your dogmatic beliefs, and no ability to think for yourself.

 

[darkendless]

yep another fendamentalist. and how in the world did you come to that conclusion?

do you have any evidence to support your claims?

Do you have any evidence to support your claims?

Mate im a geological scientist/engineer in training, present me with scientific evidence from the Quran if you will. Then, i will try and pick the science out of the verses without you telling me what the common belief is and we'll see how good your Quran is.

 

[Zhakir]

Fernpark,you should have red the Quran before you say that.
2:256
Let there be no compulsion in religion, Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the mosttrustworthy hand-hold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things.

 

[The Voice of Reason]

Question for Zhakir and Eselam -

Who wrote the Koran?

 

[JMorris]

are esalam and zhakir insecure with their religion? is that why their trying so desperately to prove it perfect?

 

[Gharib]

Question for Zhakir and Eselam -

Who wrote the Koran?

it was written by human hand.

but didn't come out of human brain.

 

[Gharib]

are esalam and zhakir insecure with their religion? is that why their trying so desperately to prove it perfect?

desperate for what?

why should we be insecure, i don't care what you think of my beliefs, if i did then i would be insecure.

 

[The Voice of Reason]

it was written by human hand.

but didn't come out of human brain.

Whew!! There for a minute, I was worried that you might try to dodge the question.

So, you believe that Allah was guiding the human hands that wrote the actual words?

 

[Gharib]

Do you have any evidence to support your claims?

plenty

Mate im a geological scientist/engineer in training, present me with scientific evidence from the Quran if you will. Then, i will try and pick the science out of the verses without you telling me what the common belief is and we'll see how good your Quran is.

so what does geology have to do with the human formation or the embryo?

do rocks have sex too?

 

[Gharib]

Whew!! There for a minute, I was worried that you might try to dodge the question.

well i wont tell a lie only to have the argument in my favour, unlike some.

So, you believe that Allah was guiding the human hands that wrote the actual words?

you are really showing your immature side with such a question.

god revealed it verse by verse, the people remembered it point by point, then when the non muslims were killing our Hafidhs (the are the people that remember the whole Quran) our leader decided that we should make a copy of it on paper.

 

[The Voice of Reason]

you are really showing your immature side with such a question.

I can only hope to be as well rounded as yourself, when I finally reach maturity.

god revealed it verse by verse, the people remembered it point by point, then when the non muslims were killing our Hafidhs (the are the people that remember the whole Quran) our leader decided that we should make a copy of it on paper.

So, your sacred text is based on the memories of a handful of humans (the Hafidhs), and the honesty of your leader?

Is Muhammed the "leader"?

 

[Gharib]

I can only hope to be as well rounded as yourself, when I finally reach maturity.

good thing you look up to me

So, your sacred text is based on the memories of a handful of humans (the Hafidhs), and the honesty of your leader?

Is Muhammed the "leader"?

no Abu Bakr (ra) was the leader who asked for it to be written down.

 

[The Voice of Reason]

no Abu Bakr (ra) was the leader who asked for it to be written down.

So, the Koran is written by humans, from memory. It is also subject to the honesty (or lack thereof) of another human.

Now, doesn't that sound familiar? Where have we seen that before?

 

[Gharib]

So, the Koran is written by humans, from memory. It is also subject to the honesty (or lack thereof) of another human.

the prophet was alive though, who also happened to be the first Hafidh, since the quran was revealed to him. and plus there was the angel Gabriel (as) who would have corrected any errors, since Allah revealed the quran through Gabriel (as). so that makes about a dozen people who had a "hand" in this, and what exactly are you trying to say by it?

Now, doesn't that sound familiar? Where have we seen that before?

no it doesn't sound furmiliar, you are imagening things.

 

[darkendless]

plenty



so what does geology have to do with the human formation or the embryo?

do rocks have sex too?

Since when has science only been about humans and things that live? Do you know what geology is? We will have a discussion when you've done your homework.

Show me Quranic evidence of geology and ill give the Quran some more credit.