Modern Science proves the Authenticity of the Glorious Qur'an

[9-10ths_Penguin]

yeah sure.

where were the non muslims when muslims were doing all the scientific discoveries?

where were the non muslims when the muslims were making civilisation go ahead of time?

where were the non muslims when the muslims got the arabs out of the dark ages and soon made europe into a much different place then what it was, which was a hell-hole?

answer them and let me know about it.

They were doing their own thing and getting by as well as they could, especially considering that they didn't have a repository of advanced scientific knowledge like the Quran to help guide the academic and technological progression of their societies.

 

[Gharib]

They were doing their own thing and getting by as well as they could, especially considering that they didn't have a repository of advanced scientific knowledge like the Quran to help guide the academic and technological progression of their societies.

so it seems you and Kai gave my answer to YmirGF then.

 

[painted wolf]

We were doing pretty good over here in the New World... figuring out advanced mathematics, medicine and such. Not bad really.

wa:do

 

[Gharib]

We were doing pretty good over here in the New World... figuring out advanced mathematics, medicine and such. Not bad really.

wa:do

mathematics came from Afghanistan, there would be no algebra today if it wasn't for muslims. medicine came from muslims, in the time of the prophet physicians knew how to do blood transfussions.

 

[painted wolf]

We developed advanced mathematics (including the zero concept) on our own, Including the ability to predict solar eclipses around the world... As well as the ability to do brain surgery, transfusions and other medical techniques.

wa:do

 

[Gharib]

We developed advanced mathematics (including the zero concept) on our own, Including the ability to predict solar eclipses around the world... As well as the ability to do brain surgery, transfusions and other medical techniques.

wa:do

so?

are we now going to argue who's dady has the fastest car?

 

[kai]

really. do you know albanian? have you learnt a little bit?

can you open up a thread and let me know of your experience there?

PM me

 

[Gharib]

PM me

ok, i will do that, thanks. but tomorrow i'm going to bed in a very short while.

how'd you go with the link?

 

[kai]

ok, i will do that, thanks. but tomorrow i'm going to bed in a very short while.

how'd you go with the link?

havnt had time yet, but i will watch it

 

[painted wolf]

so?

are we now going to argue who's dady has the fastest car?

Nope, just pointing out that Creator gave knowledge to a lot of people... it's not a great mark of how holy you are or how accurate your faith is.

Faith comes from the heart... not a book. Even if the book is quite nice and a good guide to that faith.

wa:do

 

[themadhair]

From another thread:

Response: You see, we as muslims should be focused on delivering Allah's message. Whether a person accepts or not should not be the concern. Sometimes I found myself getting just a little bothered when someone would try to malign islam in a debate but I always kept my humility. Now it doesn't bother me at all because before I was interested in getting then to see my view but now it does not matter to me. I just simply deliver the message and let Allah take care of the rest.

I am somewhat bemused and disappointed by Fatihah equating defending scientific and historical accuracy with maligning islam. It does explain some of the nature of this thread though. Pointing out that some of the so called ‘divine koranic knowledge’ was around five centuries before the koran is so obviously an act of maligning islam.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

From another thread:

I am somewhat bemused and disappointed by Fatihah equating defending scientific and historical accuracy with maligning islam. It does explain some of the nature of this thread though. Pointing out that some of the so called ‘divine koranic knowledge’ was around five centuries before the koran is so obviously an act of maligning islam.

Those who have false humility often take it as an insult when they are truly humbled by another.

 

[England my lionheart]

Originally Posted by eselam
yeah sure.

where were the non muslims when muslims were doing all the scientific discoveries?
Making scientific discoveries

where were the non muslims when the muslims were making civilisation go ahead of time?
LOL

where were the non muslims when the muslims got the arabs out of the dark ages and soon made europe into a much different place then what it was, which was a hell-hole?
Are you crazy,they are still in the dark ages


answer them and let me know about it.

 

[The Voice of Reason]

mathematics came from Afghanistan, there would be no algebra today if it wasn't for muslims. medicine came from muslims, in the time of the prophet physicians knew how to do blood transfussions.

What a fantasy world you live in, eselam.

It reminds me of the Stalinist regime in Russia, when it was treason to say that anything with any value wasn't the product of the Soviet collective.

You can say whatever you choose, but it doesn't change reality.

so? are we now going to argue who's dady has the fastest car?

How pathetic - that is the very reason that you started the thread in the first place. You started this thread as a pitifully transparent attempt to brag about what you percieve to be a strong point in your chosen religion. You placed it in the "General Religious Debates" for that very reason - to brag. Just like a child in grade school, you are trying to brag to a group of people that are fully aware of the hollowness of your claims.

You've been caught at it, called on it, and you don't like it. You don't have the ability to back your claims, so your resort to what you consider to be witty retorts (which are pretty sad in their own right). "Yeah, sure" is not a rebuttal - but it does reveal the weakness of your position.

 

[eugenius]

mathematics came from Afghanistan, there would be no algebra today if it wasn't for muslims. medicine came from muslims, in the time of the prophet physicians knew how to do blood transfussions.

proof/sources please, this is the first time I am hearing this.

Also, while you're at it, when was the last time your people came up with a fantastic invention?

 

[Fatihah]

From another thread:

Response: You see, we as muslims should be focused on delivering Allah's message. Whether a person accepts or not should not be the concern. Sometimes I found myself getting just a little bothered when someone would try to malign islam in a debate but I always kept my humility. Now it doesn't bother me at all because before I was interested in getting then to see my view but now it does not matter to me. I just simply deliver the message and let Allah take care of the rest.

I am somewhat bemused and disappointed by Fatihah equating defending scientific and historical accuracy with maligning islam. It does explain some of the nature of this thread though. Pointing out that some of the so called �divine koranic knowledge� was around five centuries before the koran is so obviously an act of maligning islam.

Response: What kind of trickery is this? You deliberately take a post I said in another thread and try to equate it with this one and accuse me of relating it to this thread? That is very devilish and shows your true intentions and character which coincidently proves my point in the post in the first place. How low can a person go?

 

[Don Penguinoini]

mathematics came from Afghanistan, there would be no algebra today if it wasn't for muslims. medicine came from muslims, in the time of the prophet physicians knew how to do blood transfussions.

Algebra... Pythagoras Theorem, Zero.. .All a combination of work from different places. Pythagoras Theorem and the zero are though to have to have come from India, as well as algebra.

Baudhayana (c. 8th century BCE) composed the Baudhayana Sulba Sutra, which contains examples of simple Pythagorean triples, such as: (3,4,5), (5,12,13), (8,15,17), (7,24,25), and (12,35,37)[26] as well as a statement of the Pythagorean theorem for the sides of a square: "The rope which is stretched across the diagonal of a square produces an area double the size of the original square."[26] It also contains the general statement of the Pythagorean theorem (for the sides of a rectangle): "The rope stretched along the length of the diagonal of a rectangle makes an area which the vertical and horizontal sides make together."

The concept of 0 as a number, and not merely a symbol for separation is attributed to India.[73] In India, practical calculations were carried out using zero, which was treated like any other number by the 9th century CE, even in case of division.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_science#cite_note-bourbaki46-72
He states that the Moon and planets shine by reflected sunlight. Instead of the prevailing cosmogony where eclipses were caused by pseudo-planetary nodes Rahu and Ketu, he explains eclipses in terms of shadows cast by and falling on earth. Thus the lunar eclipse occurs when the moon enters into the earth-shadow (verse gola.37), and discusses at length the size and extent of this earth-shadow (verses gola.38-48), and then the computation, and the size of the eclipsed part during eclipses. Subsequent Indian astronomers improved on these calculations, but his methods provided the core. This computational paradigm was so accurate that the 18th century scientist Guillaume le Gentil, during a visit to Pondicherry, found the Indian computations of the duration of the lunar eclipse of 1765-08-30 to be short by 41 seconds, whereas his charts (by Tobias Mayer, 1752) were long by 68 secondshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aryabhatta#cite_note-Ansari-0.
Aryabhata's computation of Earth's circumference as 39,968.0582 kilometers, which was only 0.2% smaller than the actual value of 40,075.0167 kilometers. This approximation was a significant improvement over the computation by the Greek mathematician, Eratosthenes (c. 200 BCE), whose exact computation is not known in modern units but his estimate had an error of around 5-10%

the earliest traces of a counter-intuitive idea that it is the Earth that is actually moving and the Sun that is at the center of the solar system is found in Vedic and post-Vedic texts[2][3] such as Shatapatha Brahmana, which has, according to Subhash Kak[unreliable source?]: "The sun is stationed for all time, in the middle of the day. [...] Of the sun, which is always in one and the same place, there is neither setting nor rising.

All Wikipedia, none me.

 

[themadhair]

Response: What kind of trickery is this? You deliberately take a post I said in another thread and try to equate it with this one and accuse me of relating it to this thread? That is very devilish and shows your true intentions and character which coincidently proves my point in the post in the first place. How low can a person go?

I never understood this whole ‘choosing to be offended’ when something you believe is challenged – particularly when this ‘choosing to be offended’ is used for the purpose of avoiding the substantive portion of the ‘offending’ post.

Obviously this is a really offensive post, an act of trickery and devilishness that shows my true intentions and character:

Pointing out that some of the so called ‘divine koranic knowledge’ was around five centuries before the koran is so obviously an act of maligning islam.

 

[Gharib]

What a fantasy world you live in, eselam.
You can say whatever you choose, but it doesn't change reality.

you can say that again.

How pathetic - that is the very reason that you started the thread in the first place. You started this thread as a pitifully transparent attempt to brag about what you percieve to be a strong point in your chosen religion.

are you serious?
you think that by showing some scientific information from the quran makes my religion strong? by those examples?
why are you even wrighting here Voice of Reason?
even if i layed out reality to you you will say it is made up by muslims, and you can try to convince yourself otherwise now ok. you do that.

You placed it in the "General Religious Debates" for that very reason - to brag. Just like a child in grade school, you are trying to brag to a group of people that are fully aware of the hollowness of your claims.

yes just like i said before, "if a scientist supports islam he is a phony, but if he supports your beliefs he is telling the truth", that there sounds like a child from grade school.
i'm no where near that. and who do you think you are to take my right away to post what i want?
did i grab you by the throat and told you to come here in this thread and accept what im telling you?

 

[The Voice of Reason]

you can say that again.

If you had the capacity to listen to others, there would be no need for the rest of us to keep telling you.

are you serious?

Yes - quite.

you think that by showing some scientific information from the quran makes my religion strong? by those examples?

No, I do not. Apparently, you think that citing verses that are vaguely written, and then trying to link them to current scientific understanding gives your religion credence - but I don't.

why are you even wrighting here Voice of Reason?

Two reasons - first, I choose to. Second, I want to take this opportunity to call you on the horse dung that you are trying to sell to everyone else.

even if i layed out reality to you you will say it is made up by muslims

I don't know. If you decide to "lay out" reality, then we'll get the chance to see how I react. So far, it's just been a trip down Delusionary Lane.

yes just like i said before, "if a scientist supports islam he is a phony, but if he supports your beliefs he is telling the truth", that there sounds like a child from grade school.

As poorly as you are doing at providing evidence that the Koran is inerrant, you are even less gifted at playing the martyr.

i'm no where near that. and who do you think you are to take my right away to post what i want?

Where did I say that you can't post? You are more than welcome to post - but when you throw loads of feces out there, you need to be prepared to have people point it out to you.

did i grab you by the throat and told you to come here in this thread and accept what im telling you?

LOL - you put this thread in the "General Religious Debates" for that very reason - to lure as many people into it as possible.

Well, several of us are participating - and you don't like the fact that we are summarily rejecting your propaganda drive.

Get used to it.