Modern Science proves the Authenticity of the Glorious Qur'an

[Fatihah]

The rocky mountains are volcanic mountains. Hardly "mountain like".
Again, block mountains and volcanic mountains do not hold tectonic plates together... they are the result of plates pulling apart or sliding alongside each other.

Response: I never said that block mountains and volcanic mountains hold tectonic plates together. What I said is that these plates are responsible for forming mountains as the link in which you've provided stated.

Quote: painted wolf
Not they don't. The plates are moving just fine along the Rocky Mountains, Himalayas (chugging along quite quickly there actually 67mm a year!) Alps, Andies and so on. Nothing stops or slows this process. Mountains are the most geologically active areas and the last place you want to be to avoid "shaking".
http://earthquake.usgs.gov/eqcenter/recenteqsww/

I have yet to hear a genuine fact... Mountains do not stop the Earth from doing anything.
It sounds like a good guess... quite logical in a way, but unfortunately it just isn't supported by the facts.
This is why trying to use science to justify faith is a silly idea. Faith is a matter between the individual and Creator.

Response: You know, the unfortunate thing about this conversation is that I'm on this site through my blackberry phone so I can not provide a link or copy and paste from another site. It is you that provided the link and in your link it states what I've told you. You are either ignoring it or you are in denial. Because I'm on my blackberry, I can't highlight the information from your link. However, the fortunate thing is that one can go to the link in which you've provided and see what is what and we'll just have to leave it as that.But to add one more thing, let me ask you a question? Do you feel the earth shaking as we speak?

 

[painted wolf]

Response: You know, the unfortunate thing about this conversation is that I'm on this site through my blackberry phone so I can not provide a link or copy and paste from another site. It is you that provided the link and in your link it states what I've told you. You are either ignoring it or you are in denial. Because I'm on my blackberry, I can't highlight the information from your link. However, the fortunate thing is that one can go to the link in which you've provided and see what is what and we'll just have to leave it as that.But to add one more thing, let me ask you a question? Do you feel the earth shaking as we speak?

My state is known for abundant micro-quakes...
We had an earthquake just three weeks ago... just a 2.1, but they happen pretty regularly.
Lots of Mountains you see... lots of fault lines and slabs of rock grinding against one another.

The earth is constantly moving, if not here than somewhere else... It's never still.

And yeah, you did suggest that mountains hold plates together...

It simply is referring to the "friction" of the plates. The mountains formed hold the plates together and prevent the shaking of the earth when they are rubbing against each other.

*emphasis mine*

You also suggested that all mountain are formed by plates hitting one another...

Response: On the contrary, mountains do in fact hold the land in place. Mountains are formed from the collision of two massive plates in the earth's crust. When they collide, the larger plate goes under the smaller one, creating a rippled affect to the smaller one which forms the layers of mountains above the earth's surface. Hence, the portion of the mountain shown above the earth is the same as below the earth's surface. This process is known as "isostacy".

*emphasis mine*

When we have on Earth, more than a million earthquakes every year... how can you say the Earth is still?
That's two every minute of the day...

wa:do

 

[Fatihah]

My state is known for abundant micro-quakes...
We had an earthquake just three weeks ago... just a 2.1, but they happen pretty regularly.
Lots of Mountains you see... lots of fault lines and slabs of rock grinding against one another.

The earth is constantly moving, if not here than somewhere else... It's never still.

And yeah, you did suggest that mountains hold plates together...
*emphasis mine*

Response: You are correct. I did say that. I took your post as if you were saying that I said the mountains existed before the actual plates and not the other way around and these mountains were holding them together.

You also suggested that all mountain are formed by plates hitting one another...
*emphasis mine*

Response: Yes. And I still do, as the link in which "you" provided clearly states.

Quote: painted wolf
When we have on Earth, more than a million earthquakes every year... how can you say the Earth is still?
That's two every minute of the day...

wa:do

Response: I asked you if the earth was shaking as we speak to which your response doesn't provide an answer at all. It was a direct question which can perfectly be answered with a yes or no.

 

[painted wolf]

Yes. And I still do, as the link in which "you" provided clearly states.

My links show a variety of means of mountain building. Not just impact uplift.

I asked you if the earth was shaking as we speak to which your response doesn't provide an answer at all. It was a direct question which can perfectly be answered with a yes or no.

Yes, it is shaking right now... as we speak.
There is a decent earthquake every two minutes. Measurable microquakes every 30 seconds.

wa:do

 

[JMorris]

why is there no modern scientific proof of Allah? i think thats a pretty big hole in your arguement

 

[Zhakir]

There are every where
Don't you think the big bang theory is right?

 

[Fatihah]

Yes, it is shaking right now... as we speak.
There is a decent earthquake every two minutes. Measurable microquakes every 30 seconds.

wa:do

Response: Thank you. And if you actually claim that you feel the earth shaking,then from this answer, any reasonable person can see who's argument is rational.

 

[themadhair]

There is a decent earthquake every two minutes. Measurable microquakes every 30 seconds.

Response: Thank you. And if you actually claim that you feel the earth shaking,then from this answer, any reasonable person can see who's argument is rational.

I think anyone who understands the difference between the two red passages above can see who is being reasonable and who is erecting a deliberate and dishonest strawman.

We use the following to device, called a seismograph, to measure earthquake tremors:

Hence those earthquakes are measurable even if beyond the range of human sensory apparatus.

 

[painted wolf]

Response: Thank you. And if you actually claim that you feel the earth shaking,then from this answer, any reasonable person can see who's argument is rational.

Just because I didn't personally feel the earthquake that created the 2004 Tsunami or the one that destroyed Kashmir in 2005 doesn't mean they didn't happen.

What is unreasonable is to insist that because I don't feel every movement of the earth... then they don't happen. That I should ignore the fact that people all around the world are measuring and monitoring these events in hopes of saving lives.

That IMHO is what is unreasonable. Like saying the sun turns off because I stop seeing it in the sky... while on the other side of the globe it's a nice sunny day.

wa:do

 

[McBell]

I think anyone who understands the difference between the two red passages above can see who is being reasonable and who is erecting a deliberate and dishonest strawman.

Seems he has to move the goal posts in order to keep his faith.

 

[The Voice of Reason]

Seems he has to move the goal posts in order to keep his faith.

LOL - if Mohammed can move a mountain, I see no reason why Fatihah should have any problems moving the goalposts.

 

[McBell]

LOL - if Allah can move a mountain, I see no reason why Fatihah should have any problems moving the goalposts.

If one reads through the thread one can see just how good at moving the goal posts he is.

 

[painted wolf]

Seems he has to move the goal posts in order to keep his faith.

He shouldn't have to!
Faith should not be pinned on how scientifically accurate a book written hundreds of years ago is.

Real faith would accept that some lessons are meant to be learned by the head and some by the heart. Prophets, however holy, are still men and books however inspired are still just paper.
God is beyond both.

wa:do

 

[The Voice of Reason]

Prophets, however holy, are still men and books however inspired are still just paper.

Truer words were never spoken - but I have to warn you - you'll never make it as a fundamentalist with that attitude.

 

[McBell]

He shouldn't have to!
Faith should not be pinned on how scientifically accurate a book written hundreds of years ago is.

Real faith would accept that some lessons are meant to be learned by the head and some by the heart. Prophets, however holy, are still men and books however inspired are still just paper.
God is beyond both.

wa:do

I agree.
Which is one of the reasons why I think threads like this one are a bigger detriment to Islam than they are a benefit.

Same goes for the threads that depend upon the stupidity of Mohammad to "prove" the 'divinity' of the Koran.

 

[Don Penguinoini]

He shouldn't have to!
Faith should not be pinned on how scientifically accurate a book written hundreds of years ago is.

Real faith would accept that some lessons are meant to be learned by the head and some by the heart. Prophets, however holy, are still men and books however inspired are still just paper.
God is beyond both.

wa:do

Great post, frubals on yoself! :beach:

 

[Don Penguinoini]

I agree.
Which is one of the reasons why I think threads like this one are a bigger detriment to Islam than they are a benefit.

Exactly, no-one thinks Islam is a stupid religion, and if Muslims make it out in such a way that Science is in the Quran, therefore it is right and everything else is wrong; then of course you are going to get a negative respone.

Threads such as these are damaging Islam and the reputation of Muslims on RF, and maybe even sometimes in the world.

 

[JMorris]

Exactly, no-one thinks Islam is a stupid religion, and if Muslims make it out in such a way that Science is in the Quran, therefore it is right and everything else is wrong; then of course you are going to get a negative respone.

Threads such as these are damaging Islam and the reputation of Muslims on RF, and maybe even sometimes in the world.

certainly dosent make me think very highly of them

 

[England my lionheart]

The poem by Lucretius 1st century BC De rerum natura contains arguments presented by Epicurus 341-270 BCE,it's a very long poem but it would be interesting to compare the scientific facts in the Poem to the scientific facts in the Quran.

PS you can go first Fatihah

OK i'll go first,lets start with Atoms,All that exists, Epicurus says, consists of matter, void, and their accidents, or properties. The universe is infinite in time and space and contains an infinite number of eternally moving indestructible elements called "atoms." The number of types of atom is, he says, "inconceivably large," and there is an infinite number of each type. The atoms are not further splittable, though they are logically divisible into "minimal parts," which serve as integral units of measurement in the distinguishing of different sizes of atoms. The atoms are like sense objects in possessing mass, size, and shape.

What does the Quran say?

 

[YmirGF]

The poem by Lucretius 1st century BC De rerum natura contains arguments presented by Epicurus 341-270 BCE,it's a very long poem but it would be interesting to compare the scientific facts in the Poem to the scientific facts in the Quran.

PS you can go first Fatihah

I found this article earlier today.

The Myth of Scientific Miracles in the Quran: A Logical Analysis by Mumin Salih


Unlike Muslims bleating on and on about supposed evidence of Kuffar science in their "holy" book, the writer of the above article actually does make several good points.