Modern Science proves the Authenticity of the Glorious Qur'an

[JMorris]

I found this article earlier today.

The Myth of Scientific Miracles in the Quran: A Logical Analysis by Mumin Salih


Unlike Muslims bleating on and on about supposed evidence of Kuffar science in their "holy" book, the writer of the above article actually does make several good points.

thats not considered "proofs", and "proofs" are what they want.
"proofs"=lies that they think are true that "proves" the quran "perfect"

 

[themadhair]

The Myth of Scientific Miracles in the Quran: A Logical Analysis by Mumin Salih

The claims that the Quran contains scientific miracles started to came to light only recently.

I wonder is this because of the creationism movement in the US?

 

[YmirGF]

I wonder is this because of the creationism movement in the US?

I doubt it. I think it is more likely because of an inferiority complex over contributing so very little to modern science. This "backdooring" or "grandfathering" gives them the illusory sensation that they had the answers we have found all along.

 

[kai]

I doubt it. I think it is more likely because of an inferiority complex over contributing so very little to modern science. This "backdooring" or "grandfathering" gives them the illusory sensation that they had the answers we have found all along.

a bit like ,they had the prophets all along too?

 

[Fatihah]

I agree.
Which is one of the reasons why I think threads like this one are a bigger detriment to Islam than they are a benefit.

Same goes for the threads that depend upon the stupidity of Mohammad to "prove" the 'divinity' of the Koran.

Response: Let's not forget the illogical responses on those threads that display a complete denial of the scientific miracles of the qur'an. They alone are a big favor and benefit to islam.

 

[England my lionheart]

The poem by Lucretius 1st century BC De rerum natura contains arguments presented by Epicurus 341-270 BCE,it's a very long poem but it would be interesting to compare the scientific facts in the Poem to the scientific facts in the Quran.

PS you can go first Fatihah

OK i'll go first,lets start with Atoms,All that exists, Epicurus says, consists of matter, void, and their accidents, or properties. The universe is infinite in time and space and contains an infinite number of eternally moving indestructible elements called "atoms." The number of types of atom is, he says, "inconceivably large," and there is an infinite number of each type. The atoms are not further splittable, though they are logically divisible into "minimal parts," which serve as integral units of measurement in the distinguishing of different sizes of atoms. The atoms are like sense objects in possessing mass, size, and shape.

What does the Quran say?

Regarding Atoms or anything scientific really

 

[YmirGF]

Response: Let's not forget the illogical responses on those threads that display a complete denial of the scientific miracles of the qur'an. They alone are a big favor and benefit to islam.

Let's not forget the completely idiotic "reasoning" used by Muslims in threads that promote the probability of scientific miracles of the qur'an. It is more than likely that Muslims do so simply to make up for their utter lack of contributions to modern science and don't like to admit their thinking is little more than vacant navel-gazing.

 

[painted wolf]

There are quite a few productive scientists who are Muslims.

They contribute at least as much as any other organized religion.

wa:do

 

[Fatihah]

Regarding Atoms or anything scientific really

Response: You see, if a muslim claims that the qur'an is from Allah because it says so, naturally a non-muslim would call this evidence illogical to which even I would agree is illogical. But now here you are presenting a claim about a poem that existed thousands of years ago with scientific knowledge but you've provided no proof that this is actually true. So why is it o.k. for you to claim something to be true based on the fact that it's been said that it's true but not o.k. the muslims?

 

[England my lionheart]

Response: You see, if a muslim claims that the qur'an is from Allah because it says so, naturally a non-muslim would call this evidence illogical to which even I would agree is illogical. But now here you are presenting a claim about a poem that existed thousands of years ago with scientific knowledge but you've provided no proof that this is actually true. So why is it o.k. for you to claim something to be true based on the fact that it's been said that it's true but not o.k. the muslims?

The difference is simple,Epicurus did not say his message was from a divine entity,he did not profess to be a scientist either,he was a Philosopher yet there is no ambiguoty in his arguments unlike the Quran.
So would'nt it be better to say that the Quran is a book of faith instead of one of scientific miracles,because if they are miracles in the Quran then the Poem must be the 9th wonder of the world.

 

[YmirGF]

There are quite a few productive scientists who are Muslims.

They contribute at least as much as any other organized religion.

wa:do

Nice try, Painted Wolf, but not accurate. Muslim scientists have not been on the "bleeding edge" of science for a very long time. Overall, their contributions are virtually non-existent compared to scientists of Jewish descent.

 

[Imagist]

"In every one of you, all components of your creation are collected together in your mother’s womb by forty days..."

"If forty-two nights have passed over the embryo, God sends an angel to it, who shapes it and creates its hearing, vision, skin, flesh, and bones...."

these claims are also supported by another scientist, who happens to be an expert in the same fields as Simpson

The embryonic stage is 8 weeks (56 days). Pregnancy as a whole is 9 months (270 days). How exactly does this affirm your beliefs?

 

[Imagist]

Nice try, Painted Wolf, but not accurate. Muslim scientists have not been on the "bleeding edge" of science for a very long time. Overall, their contributions are virtually non-existent compared to scientists of Jewish descent.

Did I miss something here? Why are you comparing Muslim scientists to Jewish scientists?

If it's a ******* contest you're looking for, atheism would likely win this one, but even as the probable winner I can't claim that any specific religion and quantity/quality of scientific contribution are inherently related.

 

[England my lionheart]

Response: You see, if a muslim claims that the qur'an is from Allah because it says so, naturally a non-muslim would call this evidence illogical to which even I would agree is illogical. But now here you are presenting a claim about a poem that existed thousands of years ago with scientific knowledge but you've provided no proof that this is actually true. So why is it o.k. for you to claim something to be true based on the fact that it's been said that it's true but not o.k. the muslims?

If you want proof you must have heard of Pythagorous,well the notion of Atomics goes way back to then but Democritus took it a lot further and Epicurus added further arguments.
These people lived a long time before the Quran but have more scientific knowledge that the Quran and this was gleaned from their own reasoning so when you look at Pythagorian reasoning in the modern world compared to what you deem as science in the Quran it is as chalk and cheese,Pythagorous stands up to scrutiny whereas if the science in the Quran was the work of God you would think it would be more,well,scientific.

 

[painted wolf]

Nice try, Painted Wolf, but not accurate. Muslim scientists have not been on the "bleeding edge" of science for a very long time. Overall, their contributions are virtually non-existent compared to scientists of Jewish descent.

I'm not in the habit of judging scientific merit on the basis of religion or ethnicity....
Frankly it doesn't matter in science.

but by bleeding edge do you mean like the 40 years of research Mohamed Elmasry has done in semiconductor device research and integrated circuit design?
Outstanding Muslim Scientists and Engineers of the 21st Century

Now can we stop attacking people based on their religion? It's unbecoming at the least.

wa:do

 

[Don Penguinoini]

If you want proof you must have heard of Pythagorous,well the notion of Atomics goes way back to then but Democritus took it a lot further and Epicurus added further arguments.
These people lived a long time before the Quran but have more scientific knowledge that the Quran and this was gleaned from their own reasoning so when you look at Pythagorian reasoning in the modern world compared to what you deem as science in the Quran it is as chalk and cheese,Pythagorous stands up to scrutiny.

Pythagoras Theorem, first found in China and India. India has done a lot in the field of Mathematics and Science. Also, the earliest notion of the atom dates back to India in the 6th century BCE.

Sorry I just hate westerners taking credit some things which they did not really do...

 

[Fatihah]

If you want proof you must have heard of Pythagorous,well the notion of Atomics goes way back to then but Democritus took it a lot further and Epicurus added further arguments.
These people lived a long time before the Quran but have more scientific knowledge that the Quran and this was gleaned from their own reasoning so when you look at Pythagorian reasoning in the modern world compared to what you deem as science in the Quran it is as chalk and cheese,Pythagorous stands up to scrutiny.

Response: I was hoping for proof. One can claerly see that this is not sufficient proof but rather more statement which within itself requires proof.

 

[Fatihah]

I'm not in the habit of judging scientific merit on the basis of religion or ethnicity....
Frankly it doesn't matter in science.

but by bleeding edge do you mean like the 40 years of research Mohamed Elmasry has done in semiconductor device research and integrated circuit design?
Outstanding Muslim Scientists and Engineers of the 21st Century

Now can we stop attacking people based on their religion? It's unbecoming at the least.

wa:do

Response: I agree. Why would someone want to discredit muslim contribution to science or make claims that their contributions are virtually non-existent compared to scientists of jewish descent with no evidence for such a claim? Does this even matter? Frankly, it doesn't matter.

 

[YmirGF]

Did I miss something here? Why are you comparing Muslim scientists to Jewish scientists?

If it's a ******* contest you're looking for, atheism would likely win this one, but even as the probable winner I can't claim that any specific religion and quantity/quality of scientific contribution are inherently related.

Good grief, I understand that. My point is that part of the reason why this drivel about scientific miracles within the Qur'an arose about 33 years ago, was to address the imagined shortfall Muslims themselves perceived. Frankly, it began with the book "The Bible, The Qur'an and Science" (1973) which argued that the Qur'an contains no statements contradicting established scientific fact.

 

[Imagist]

Good grief, I understand that. My point is that part of the reason why this drivel about scientific miracles within the Qur'an arose about 33 years ago, was to address the imagined shortfall Muslims themselves perceived. Frankly, it began with the book "The Bible, The Qur'an and Science" (1973) which argued that the Qur'an contains no statements contradicting established scientific fact.

Okay, but why the comparison to Judaism rather than to non-Muslims?