Modern Science proves the Authenticity of the Glorious Qur'an

[England my lionheart]

Response: I was hoping for proof. One can claerly see that this is not sufficient proof but rather more statement which within itself requires proof.

Are you saying Pythagoras isn't proof?

 

[YmirGF]

Okay, but why the comparison to Judaism rather than to non-Muslims?

Normally, I do stick with the non-Muslim angle but frankly Jewish scientists or scientists of Jewish extraction have contributed more to modern science, per capita, than any other group. Just look at the list of Nobel prize winner, for example, since the inception of the Nobel prize.

 

[England my lionheart]

Pythagoras Theorem, first found in China and India. India has done a lot in the field of Mathematics and Science. Also, the earliest notion of the atom dates back to India in the 6th century BCE.

Sorry I just hate westerners taking credit some things which they did not really do...

I would'nt call Greek Philosophers Westerners

 

[Imagist]

Normally, I do stick with the non-Muslim angle but frankly Jewish scientists or scientists of Jewish extraction have contributed more to modern science, per capita, than any other group. Just look at the list of Nobel prize winner, for example, since the inception of the Nobel prize.

Again, I'm not so sure. Atheists have a very good track record in this area as well.

In any case, my concern was that your comparison of Jews to Muslims seemed intended to stir up cultural conflict.

 

[Imagist]

I would'nt call Greek Philosophers Westerners

I would. Modern Greece may be more strongly related to the middle east than to the western world, but the western world's thought is in large part based upon Ancient Greece (and therefore the two are closely related).

 

[YmirGF]

I agree. Why would someone want to discredit muslim contribution to science

I am not questioning the contribution of Muslims long ago. The point is that their contributions, for a group of 1.3 - 1.5 billion members has been pretty dismal, of late.

or make claims that their contributions are virtually non-existent compared to scientists of jewish descent with no evidence for such a claim?

Check the list of Nobel prize winners, to date. The evidence is pretty clear.

Again, what I am suggesting is that the claim of scientifc miracles in the Qur'an is a relatively new invention, funded largely by the Saudi's to offset their perception of Islam's lack of contribution to science in the modern era. What better way to do that than imply their favorite book has contained many recent discoveries all along.

 

[Don Penguinoini]

I would'nt call Greek Philosophers Westerners

Then, what would you call 'em?

 

[McBell]

Response: Let's not forget the illogical responses on those threads that display a complete denial of the scientific miracles of the qur'an. They alone are a big favor and benefit to islam.

If you say so.
Seems to me that this thread is not helping Islam in way shape or form.
Unless of course it is your intent to drive people AWAY from Islam.

You are making the same mistake as so many other theists.
You think that your success with the choir makes your position worthy of those outside your choir.

The problem is that you do not want to believe that you are holding a position only worthy of a choir.

But like I said, if you want to think that you are helping bring others to Islam despite being repeatedly told otherwise, you go right ahead.

 

[McBell]

Then, what would you call 'em?

Wild stab in dark...

Greek Philosophers.
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[England my lionheart]

Then, what would you call 'em?

Greek Philosophers

 

[England my lionheart]

If you say so.
Seems to me that this thread is not helping Islam in way shape or form.
Unless of course it is your intent to drive people AWAY from Islam.

You are making the same mistake as so many other theists.
You think that your success with the choir makes your position worthy of those outside your choir.

The problem is that you do not want to believe that you are holding a position only worthy of a choir.

But like I said, if you want to think that you are helping bring others to Islam despite being repeatedly told otherwise, you go right ahead.

The old saying "flogging a dead horse" comes to mind

 

[England my lionheart]

I would. Modern Greece may be more strongly related to the middle east than to the western world, but the western world's thought is in large part based upon Ancient Greece (and therefore the two are closely related).

I dislike the term "the West" anyway,but yes we are related in some ways

 

[Fatihah]

The difference is simple,Epicurus did not say his message was from a divine entity,he did not profess to be a scientist either,he was a Philosopher yet there is no ambiguoty in his arguments unlike the Quran.
So would'nt it be better to say that the Quran is a book of faith instead of one of scientific miracles,because if they are miracles in the Quran then the Poem must be the 9th wonder of the world.

Response: So because Epicurus did not say his message was divine and did not claim to be a scientists his message is now true? This is really your answer? And if he is not a scientist then what exactly was the purpose of bringing his claims up in the first place?

 

[Fatihah]

Are you saying Pythagoras isn't proof?

Response: Not at all. I'm saying you didn't provide any proof.

 

[themadhair]

Response: Not at all. I'm saying you didn't provide any proof.

Irony alert....

 

[Fatihah]

I am not questioning the contribution of Muslims long ago. The point is that their contributions, for a group of 1.3 - 1.5 billion members has been pretty dismal, of late.

Check the list of Nobel prize winners, to date. The evidence is pretty clear.

Again, what I am suggesting is that the claim of scientifc miracles in the Qur'an is a relatively new invention, funded largely by the Saudi's to offset their perception of Islam's lack of contribution to science in the modern era. What better way to do that than imply their favorite book has contained many recent discoveries all along.

Response: I'm reading statements. Where's the proof?

 

[themadhair]

Response: I'm reading statements. Where's the proof?

The irony...

 

[Fatihah]

If you say so.
Seems to me that this thread is not helping Islam in way shape or form.
Unless of course it is your intent to drive people AWAY from Islam.

You are making the same mistake as so many other theists.
You think that your success with the choir makes your position worthy of those outside your choir.

The problem is that you do not want to believe that you are holding a position only worthy of a choir.

But like I said, if you want to think that you are helping bring others to Islam despite being repeatedly told otherwise, you go right ahead.

Response: And indeed I will

 

[Fatihah]

The irony...

Response: The denial...

 

[themadhair]

Response: The denial...

Response: I'm reading statements. Where's the proof?