Mohammad in the Bible...

[MyM]

Thats exactly what appealing to authority means. Your profanity just shows your character. Nothing more, and nothing less.



Again, this only shows your character. You dont know the language. So study a bit.



Nah. Yusuf Ali is making an interpretation just like I explained in my post. But he does not say "Akbar does not mean greater, it only means greatest".



Thats English. I am only giving you the arabic meaning.



No problem. Just ask.

25:43. It speaks of people taking their own hawah as their ilah. So does 45:23.



Okay. Everyone would. Some would. What ever it is, Akbar, an arabic word does not mean "greatest". It means "greater".

Learn the language to dispute it.

akbar means GREATER.

 

[rosends]

Often, the comparative is simply a rewording of the superlative.

I am the greatest of all
vs
I am greater than everything else

they mean the same thing but the former allows for more than 2 categories while the latter distills the comparison to only 2 categories. If the unstated assumption following the comparative is "than anything/everything else" then is there any semantic difference between it and the superlative?

 

[firedragon]

akbar means GREATER.

Yes. It means greater.

And when Allah is addressed, it means he is greater. The linguistic value is such that if one understands its value, he is greater than everything..

What ever concept you bring, Allah is greater.

 

[InvestigateTruth]

You claim something. But you do not answer the specific question because it does not exist.

Moving on, and asking a different question from me without addressing what was asked from you does not make a person your slave to keep moving from one question from the other bound to answer.

Hope you understand.

I rated your post winner. Be happy.
All the best.

 

[England my lionheart]

Great.

I'm not optimistic there will ever be any but an open mind is better than a closed one i think.

 

[stevecanuck]

Thats exactly what appealing to authority means. Your profanity just shows your character. Nothing more, and nothing less.

Who do you turn to for education if not an expert in the field?????

Everybody who ever went to school and listens to a teacher trained in the topic is "appealing to authority" according to that 'logic'.

Nah. Yusuf Ali is making an interpretation just like I explained in my post. But he does not say "Akbar does not mean greater, it only means greatest".

Yah. And 'greater than everything' means 'greatest'.

I'm done with this diversion in semantics.

No problem. Just ask.

25:43. It speaks of people taking their own hawah as their ilah. So does 45:23.

Ok, the metaphor is obvious. They don't 'pray' to their desires, they just follow them heedless of what Allah may think of them. In other words, they're unbelievers. Those verse mix the figurative with the literal.

 

[firedragon]

Who do you turn to for education if not an expert in the field?????

See, you just read an interpretation and will not listen to any explanation of an interpretation but just say "He did this". Thats appealing to authority. Again, I say this. Yusuf Ali never said the word Akbar only means greatest and never greater. He made an interpretation as I explained. Since you have no clue of the language, and you are absolutely adamant you dont want to listen to anyone, you cannot understand an explanation.

Yah. And 'greater than everything' means 'greatest'.

Absolutely.

Ok, the metaphor is obvious. They don't 'pray' to their desires, they just follow them heedless of what Allah may think of them. In other words, they're unbelievers. Those verse mix the figurative with the literal.

You just made all of that up from nowhere.

It says "Aahaz" which means "adopt". Then it says "ilaahahoo hawahhoo". They adopted their own ego/desire as God.

It does not say "pray", nor does it say all of that made up things you just picked out of thin air.

Okay?

 

[firedragon]

I rated your post winner. Be happy.
All the best.

Lol. Everyone is not looking for winners by unknown people on the internet to make them happy like you mate. Some like to speak the truth and maybe learn something about a subject they have passion for.

Peace.

 

[stevecanuck]

See, you just read an interpretation and will not listen to any explanation of an interpretation but just say "He did this". Thats appealing to authority. Again, I say this. Yusuf Ali never said the word Akbar only means greatest and never greater. He made an interpretation as I explained. Since you have no clue of the language, and you are absolutely adamant you dont want to listen to anyone, you cannot understand an explanation.

So, as you say above, the word 'akbar' does mean 'greatest'. Whether is ever means 'greater' was never an issue. I have no problem saying it means 'greater' in the proper context.

However, you were adamant that it doesn't mean 'greatest'. Now you're saying at times it does. We're done here.

You just made all of that up from nowhere.

It says "Aahaz" which means "adopt". Then it says "ilaahahoo hawahhoo". They adopted their own ego/desire as God.

It does not say "pray", nor does it say all of that made up things you just picked out of thin air.

Okay?

Oh goody, another exercise in semantics. You're on your own on this one. I will not get sucked into this nonsense again. Bye, and of course be sure to "accept my surrender". I know how important that is to you.

 

[firedragon]

So, as you say above, the word 'akbar' does mean 'greatest'

No. It means "Greater". If you want, I can repeat it.

Akbar means "Greater".

But as I explained, you can interpret when applied to God, and the Qur'anic context of Thawheed, which I have explained very clearly, as "greatest".

But the word means Greater.

Oh goody, another exercise in semantics.

Nah. Not at all. This is exactly what the verse says, and I even gave you the arabic.

But those other things like pray, and the semantics you said were just made up.

Hope you understand.

 

[firedragon]

But Allah could have planned it, so, His Book could have been protected.
So, why Allah left it to their hands? Why He didn't protect it, so, today they can all see the truth of Muhammad?

You believe in Allah right? Do you really believe God knows better than you or you know better than God?

Do you worship Allah as the only ilah or do you worship your own ego and/or your desires as God?

Have you not ever read the Quran whatsoever? Does not it say that God is the best planner? So why do you say things like "Allah could have done this or that"?

Quran says that people wrote books by their own hands and claimed it was from God. You are taking human work and claiming it should have been protected. Nonsensical.

 

[InvestigateTruth]

You believe in Allah right? Do you really believe God knows better than you or you know better than God?

Do you worship Allah as the only ilah or do you worship your own ego and/or your desires as God?

Have you not ever read the Quran whatsoever? Does not it say that God is the best planner? So why do you say things like "Allah could have done this or that"?

Exactly.
The Bible itself have verses claiming to be from God. Those verses are found in Both Christians and Jews Bibles.
A God who is so concerned with guiding people, to tell people of His true teachings, left them with Books which were not really His own Books. How does that compatible with Quran?
Then after 600 years, He sent Quran. So, according to your belief they did not know their books are not really from God for 600 years, and the Jews were left without a true book from God for thousands of years until Quran was revealed. So, then, God did not guide all those people who lived in previous ages, because they had books which were false.
Nice. Very logical

Quran says that people wrote books by their own hands and claimed it was from God. You are taking human work and claiming it should have been protected. Nonsensical.

The verse you are talking about is not about Torah or Injil. It does not say, people wrote the Gospels or Torah by their hand. You are reading more than what it says. It is about other books they wrote by their hand and said they are from God.

 

[firedragon]

The Bible itself have verses claiming to be from God. Those verses are found in Both Christians and Jews Bibles.

When you say "Both", what are the differences between the "Christian and Jewish Bibles"?

Can you explain?

 

[firedragon]

Then after 600 years, He sent Quran.

Very true. SO you dont believe in God or the Quran being a divine revelation. So fine. Thanks for the clarification.

 

[firedragon]

The verse you are talking about is not about Torah or Injil.

How do you know? You said "its not". So are you God? You know better than the Quran right?

Could you please prove you are GOd and you have all knowledge in some way?

Thanks.

 

[InvestigateTruth]

When you say "Both", what are the differences between the "Christian and Jewish Bibles"?

Can you explain?

Jewish Bible is another term for Torah and other Hebrew scriptures revealed by the Prophets.
Christian Bible, is the New Testament.

 

[InvestigateTruth]

How do you know? You said "its not". So are you God? You know better than the Quran right?

Could you please prove you are GOd and you have all knowledge in some way?

Thanks.

"Woe, then, to those who write the book with their hands and then say: This is from Allah, so that they may take for it a small price; therefore woe to them for what their hands have written and woe to them for what they earn" 2:79

Firstly, we notice, the tense of the verse. It does not say they wrote. It says, they write.
It is not about past, as It is not a past tense grammatically speaking.
Secondly, let's look at the context of the verse, in connection with its precious verses:

"And there are among them unlettered people who have no real knowledge of the divine writ, [following] only wishful beliefs and depending on nothing but conjecture"
2:78

When we read both in the context, we see, this is about some unlettered people who have no true knowledge, and have wishful beliefs. Again the tense of this verse is present tense. Meaning this is about people who lived at the time of revelation of this verse.
So, when we understand both verses together, we see, these verses are not about people who wrote Christian or Hebrew Scriptures as those Scriptures were written long before Quran. So, these verses could not be about the Torah or Injil among people.
But it is about people who were living at the time of Muhammad, and wrote some book at the time of Muhammad.
Moreover, if you look at Hadithes, non of them says, this verse is about Hebrew or Christian Bible. They say, this verse is about some books they wrote to refute claim of Muhammad.
Even as the context of previous verses shows that:
"Behold! when they meet the men of Faith, they say: "We believe": But when they meet each other in private, they say: "Shall you tell them what Allah hath revealed to you, that they may engage you in argument about it before your Lord?"- Do ye not understand (their aim)"


All of these verses are about people living at the time of Muhammad who were plotting agains Him and Muslims, so they engage with them to refute Islam. It has nothing to do with writing Bible.
As I said those who think this verse is about Bible, they are reading more than what the verse is saying.

 

[Muffled]

It is interesting to find many things if one knows how to read and understand the Hebrew Text. Also, in the Greek text as well for many parts of the Bible are from translated Hebrew and Greek Texts.

Many are asked about if Mohammad pbuh is mentioned in the Bible and many say no. Here is a video explaining what I mean.

The name of Mohammad is translated to "Altogether lovely" in the Bible.

(Part 1)

(Part 2)

I believe the only reference that looks remotely possible is one that casts him as a false prophet.

 

[Muffled]

Correct me if I've got this wrong but wasn't Mohammed born hundreds of years after the Bible was written?

I believe he could have been prophesied but prophecies are sometimes vague and hard to interpret.

 

[Altfish]

I believe he could have been prophesied but prophecies are sometimes vague and hard to interpret.

... and interpreted to suit the narrative.