Morality = The Golden Rule

[Humanistheart]

you..others....

that is two

:sarcastic

learn to think...

A two way street means the condition works both ways, not simply that the two or more individuals are involved.

 

[Humanistheart]

desperation....?

ack..never mind...I cant be bothered...
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In the beginning was God,

Today is God,

Tomorrow will be God.

Who can make an image of God?

He has no body.

He is as a word which comes
out of your mouth.

That word! It is no more.

It is past, and still it lives!

So is God.

–from Zaire

Mestemia's assertion was correct. When you start writing peoms about your god rather than addressing the relevant topic at hand desperation seems an apt adjective.

 

[Humanistheart]

I'll restate the rapist (emotional plea, against the Golden Rule)

If a person is getting raped, it would be incorrect to think the Golden Rule means, the recipient would want to get raped or rape the rapists. That would be silly.

However, the person being raped, would want to defend him or herself, and in union with the Golden Rule, the recipient would want the same for the rapists, if the rapists was being raped..

Yes, IF the rapist was being rapped. So, following the golden rule the one being raped (again, why did you make this the example?) does not like being raped, and there for to treat others the way they wish to be treated will not themselves rape, but if the rapist desires to be raped then s/he is following the golden rule. They like being raped and thus treat other the way they want to be treated. What about that are you not getting?

So the Golden rule in that situation is that defending one's self, would be what one would want for themselves, and for anyone else getting raped, no matter who it is..

That, as explained, only works on one side, the one being raped. Your argument would not apply the rapist IF the condition that the rapist also enjoys being raped is met.

 

[Just_me_Mike]

Yes, IF the rapist was being rapped. So, following the golden rule the one being raped (again, why did you make this the example?) does not like being raped, and there for to treat others the way they wish to be treated will not themselves rape, but if the rapist desires to be raped then s/he is following the golden rule. They like being raped and thus treat other the way they want to be treated. What about that are you not getting?

First I didn't bring this up, Mestemia, and someone else did earlier.

That, as explained, only works on one side, the one being raped. Your argument would not apply the rapist IF the condition that the rapist also enjoys being raped is met.

Second, you seem to have a hard time grasping the concept that someone enjoying being raped, is mentally impaired, and nothing matter in that situation including the Golden Rule. If such a creature existed, that liked getting raped, and like raping others, there is a cell block for that person, and hopefully that person will find that cell sooner than later.

 

[Humanistheart]

Second, you seem to have a hard time grasping the concept that someone enjoying being raped, is mentally impaired, and nothing matter in that situation including the Golden Rule..

Perhaps that has something to do with that fact that you've offered no reasoning or evidence to justify either or those assertions.

And quite frankly your assertion that something with a mental handicap should somehow not be encompassed in your precious godlen rule is nothing short of Hitler level bigotry. I take it you are a fan of the US's former eugenics movement?

If such a creature existed, that liked getting raped, and like raping others, there is a cell block for that person, and hopefully that person will find that cell sooner than later.

Being raped is not a crime. Dear lord, your one of those people who blame the victim rather than the rapist aren't you? Creature? So you think rapists and the raped aren't even human, WOW.

 

[Just_me_Mike]

Perhaps that has something to do with that fact that you've offered no reasoning or evidence to justify either or those assertions.

What are you smoking?

And quite frankly your assertion that something with a mental handicap should somehow not be encompassed in your precious godlen rule is nothing short of Hitler level bigotry. I take it you are a fan of the US's former eugenics movement?

My son is mentally handicap, he is the joy of my life. I think you need to check how you read into to people's response. It is verging on absurdity.

Being raped is not a crime.

Who said it was? You seem to enjoy taking me out of context. What I said was people who enjoy both being raped and raping others need to be locked up, or in serious confinement with treatment. The golden rule to that is, if those individuals that are impaired to enjoy such things actually had a normal brain they would want the same thing for themselves, to be locked up and getting help.

Dear lord, your one of those people who blame the victim rather than the rapist aren't you? Creature? So you think rapists and the raped aren't even human, WOW.

This is just wrong of you to say, I never said that. Learn to read and comprehend, or I will be reporting you to the RF. I am getting really tired of lazy responses, that aim to only start fights.

 

[Humanistheart]

What are you smoking?,.

Just Tobacco.

Who said it was? You seem to enjoy taking me out of context.

"mentally impaired, and nothing matter in that situation including the Golden Rule. If such a creature existed".

What exactly was I sopposed to take away from your claim that someone who is mentally impaired is merely a 'creature' and that nothing matters in regaurds to them, including the golden rule?

 

[Just_me_Mike]

Just Tobacco.



What exactly was I sopposed to take away from your claim that someone who is mentally impaired is merely a 'creature' and that nothing matters in regaurds to them, including the golden rule?

Unless you are living under a rock, and have an IQ of 2, there are more than one kind of mentally impaired people.

If a person is mentally impaired and part of that impairment is enjoying being raped and enjoying raping others, than that person's rights to be a free person do not matter. That person's safety and well being matter, which is why they need to be locked up and getting help.

I will try this one more time with you. If that person had a normally functioning brain, that person would expect for us, the normal brain having populace to treat him or her in a way that would lock them up and get them help.

If you can not understand that, I have no more time to try and elevate your consciousness.

 

[Humanistheart]

Unless you are living under a rock, and have an IQ of 2, there are more than one kind of mentally impaired people...

Then perhaps you should have made some distinction in your previous posts to suggest you were aware of this and an explanation as to how you segregate them in your mind.

If a person is mentally impaired and part of that impairment is enjoying being raped and enjoying raping others,..

You assume this is a "mental impairment". Prove it.

than that person's rights to be a free person do not matter. ..

If they're not doing what I want them to do lock them up.

I will try this one more time with you. If that person had a normally functioning brain, that person would expect for us, the normal brain having populace to treat him or her in a way that would lock them up and get them help..

I see, so if they had a 'normal brian' they'd want to be locked up and it's our job as 'normal' people to do it. You're right that does work with the golden rule. YOU are treating THEM the way you think YOU'D want to be treated. Which brings us back to my original point, the golden rule has some serious holes.

 

[Just_me_Mike]

You assume this is a "mental impairment". Prove it.

You're asking me to prove a rapist has mental issues?

If they're not doing what I want them to do lock them up.

Uncalled for, that is not what I said. Many people don't cut their toe nails the way I do, and I am OK that they are free. :yes:

I see, so if they had a 'normal brian' they'd want to be locked up and it's our job as 'normal' people to do it. You're right that does work with the golden rule. YOU are treating THEM the way you think YOU'D want to be treated. Which brings us back to my original point, the golden rule has some serious holes.

Where is the hole? We live as a group society, and always have, and always will. As such, rapists are not welcome. It is deemed an impairment by law when someone enjoys raping someone.

I am still waiting for you to explain to hole.

 

[MSizer]

Sorry I haven't been following this thread, but I was pondering the title last night while driving home, and I think you're right. It seems to me that at the heart of it all, the golden rule is what makes it all binding. I'll have to ponder some more before I feel certain of it, but thanks for the nudge in fruitful thought.

 

[Just_me_Mike]

Sorry I haven't been following this thread, but I was pondering the title last night while driving home, and I think you're right. It seems to me that at the heart of it all, the golden rule is what makes it all binding. I'll have to ponder some more before I feel certain of it, but thanks for the nudge in fruitful thought.

It is interesting, because until Tumbleweed, and yourself started really posting a lot about morals, I never made the connection. However, I am more and more certain, it is a rule that can be applied to just about anything and without twisting it to do so.

The problem is, now that I have said such a thing, I am setting myself up to be superior to those that don't believe that, or understand it. which is why I am offering for someone to challenge the idea, but so far no one has been successful.

 

[Humanistheart]

You're asking me to prove a rapist has mental issues?.

No, that he is mentally impaired not that he has mental issues.

Where is the hole? We live as a group society, and always have, and always will. As such, rapists are not welcome. It is deemed an impairment by law when someone enjoys raping someone..

And in some cultures it was considered a right, often associated to conquest. And?

I am still waiting for you to explain to hole.

The hole is that if you only treat others the way you wish to be treated there's the chance that many will not be treating other's the way they wish to be treated. It's that simple.

 

[Just_me_Mike]

The hole is that if you only treat others the way you wish to be treated there's the chance that many will not be treating other's the way they wish to be treated. It's that simple.

I tried... Thanks for the dialog though...

 

[McBell]

It is interesting, because until Tumbleweed, and yourself started really posting a lot about morals, I never made the connection. However, I am more and more certain, it is a rule that can be applied to just about anything and without twisting it to do so.

The problem is, now that I have said such a thing, I am setting myself up to be superior to those that don't believe that, or understand it. which is why I am offering for someone to challenge the idea, but so far no one has been successful.

Until you meet a masochist.
Of course, you completely ignored the masochist from my post to concentrate on the rapist.

 

[Just_me_Mike]

Until you meet a masochist.
Of course, you completely ignored the masochist from my post to concentrate on the rapist.

Hi your back. So you are done with the rapist. Great let's move on to the masochist!

From the Free dictionary.1. The deriving of sexual gratification, or the tendency to derive sexual gratification, from being physically or emotionally abused.
2. The deriving of pleasure, or the tendency to derive pleasure, from being humiliated or mistreated, either by another or by oneself.
3. A willingness or tendency to subject oneself to unpleasant or trying experiences.

If you need me to point to science that tells us this is a mental disorder or impairment, I will do so, but I shouldn't have too.

So in this situation, how does the Golden Rule apply? From the masochists perspective it doesn't matter! They need help. Don't you get that? If they weren't ill, they would feel the same way as the majority of humans.

What exactly are you trying to say? That a masochists, point of view has weight in society? That somehow, that life style is a choice that is to be allowed and accepted? So somehow, from their perspective they like to be hurt, so they can hurt others? Do you really think that is an argument against the Golden Rule?

 

[McBell]

Hi your back. So you are done with the rapist. Great let's move on to the masochist!



If you need me to point to science that tells us this is a mental disorder or impairment, I will do so, but I shouldn't have too.

So in this situation, how does the Golden Rule apply? From the masochists perspective it doesn't matter! They need help. Don't you get that? If they weren't ill, they would feel the same way as the majority of humans.

What exactly are you trying to say? That a masochists, point of view has weight in society? That somehow, that life style is a choice that is to be allowed and accepted? So somehow, from their perspective they like to be hurt, so they can hurt others? Do you really think that is an argument against the Golden Rule?

LIke I already said, you specifically set up the OP to allow you to dismiss the realities of the world in order to promote your Golden Rule warm Fuzzies.
That in and of itself shows you know that the Golden Rule is not as golden as you would like everyone to think.

For if you honestly thought the Golden Rule was really all that you would not have specifically set up in the OP the ability to so casually dismiss everything that casts doubt on the Golden Rule.

 

[THINKER]

LIke I already said, you specifically set up the OP to allow you to dismiss the realities of the world in order to promote your Golden Rule warm Fuzzies.
That in and of itself shows you know that the Golden Rule is not as golden as you would like everyone to think.

For if you honestly thought the Golden Rule was really all that you would not have specifically set up in the OP the ability to so casually dismiss everything that casts doubt on the Golden Rule.

If I may, are you suggesting in this response that because the world has realities that consist of masochists, it somehow diminishes any truth a golden rule or something similar might have?

You have made a response, without any logic to support your position. Whether or not the golden rule is what the poster claims it is, you have done little to show otherwise. What is wrong with the golden rule anyway? Are you suggesting there is a better rule? If so, what is it?

 

[Just_me_Mike]

LIke I already said, you specifically set up the OP to allow you to dismiss the realities of the world in order to promote your Golden Rule warm Fuzzies.
That in and of itself shows you know that the Golden Rule is not as golden as you would like everyone to think.

For if you honestly thought the Golden Rule was really all that you would not have specifically set up in the OP the ability to so casually dismiss everything that casts doubt on the Golden Rule.

The accusation is I set up the OP in the way you suggest. Now for the million dollar act, please show how that is? All we have right now is an accusation.

It is possible, the subject at hand is too much for you. I am not saying that is a fact, it is just quite probable. It is very simple logic to me, but I must realize people will have limitations.

What bothers me is you are not ever TRYING to see how the golden rule applies. I have spent some time trying to debunk it, because of your persistence, but without success, and when I ask you to help me understand you offer nothing.

Let's stop the bickering, and try to work together to figure this out, or let's just drop the subject altogether between you and I?

 

[McBell]

If I may, are you suggesting in this response that because the world has realities that consist of masochists, it somehow diminishes any truth a golden rule or something similar might have?

You have made a response, without any logic to support your position. Whether or not the golden rule is what the poster claims it is, you have done little to show otherwise. What is wrong with the golden rule anyway? Are you suggesting there is a better rule? If so, what is it?

why does it have to be black and white?
Either the golden rule is the be all end all of morality or it has to be completely wrong?

Why you people read my posts and think "Oh my god!! he thinks the golden rule is completely wrong!" is beyond me.

Talk about reading more into what is said......