More attacks on Free Speech in the UK

[Shadow Wolf]

I think that if you put your mind to it, you could come up with even more outrageous false dilemmas

So is false dilemmas your new word for excusing and dismissing claims you don't understand and don't agree with?

 

[Argentbear]

If he doesn't lead such a lifestyle and knows it would be a major sin, I have nothing to say here.

If he says it's okay to lead such a lifestyle, he's not a Muslim.

His religion is his business and for him to say, not yours

 

[Argentbear]

Interesting. My son is in the US Army and most of his interactions, which were negative, I might add, were with Sunnis.

Maybe that has to do with history and the uniform he wears.

 

[Kathryn]

Maybe it has to do with how traditional and anti-semitic so many Sunni Muslims are. @Argentbear

 

[Secret Chief]

If he doesn't lead such a lifestyle and knows it would be a major sin, I have nothing to say here.

If he says it's okay to lead such a lifestyle, he's not a Muslim.

You know them so well, so many miles away.

She is a Muslim.

 

[muhammad_isa]

Maybe it has to do with how traditional and anti-semitic so many Sunni Muslims are.

..and that comment contributes to world peace how, exactly?

G-d favors the humble .. the peacemakers.

 

[Kathryn]

..and that comment contributes to world peace how, exactly?

G-d favors the humble .. the peacemakers.

So be a peacemaker. I generally am but I also know when to speak the truth.

 

[muhammad_isa]

I generally am but I also know when to speak the truth..

Name calling just exacerbates the issue .. whichever side is doing it.
Peace is achieved through diplomacy and compromise.

I get the distinct feeling that some people don't want peace .. there is a reason for everything.

Anti-semitism is racism .. but many people would have us believe that anti-Israel is racism..
..when it is not.

People don't have to live in a particular place to practice their religion, and if they insist on it,
such as the "settlers" by bullying the natives, then..

Eg. Jesus was a Judean, so I'm moving there and "making it Christian"

 

[Kathryn]

If I meant "anti Israel" I would say it but I meant Anti Semite. @muhammad_isa

 

[muhammad_isa]

If I meant "anti Israel" I would say it but I meant Anti Semite. @muhammad_isa

OK .. and I would imagine that is why I see many US Jews complaining about what is going on in Israel.
i.e. they feel they are being "tarred by the same brush"

 

[Pawpatrol]

His religion is his business and for him to say, not yours

No. Islam is not whatever you want it to be. If he disbelieves in the Quran he is definitely not a Muslim. This is something of which there is no disagreement. It's not "gray area".

Maybe it has to do with how traditional and anti-semitic so many Sunni Muslims are

Is your son Jewish? Is he particularly pro-fornication? Did he offer them drugs? Why does he hate traditions?

Could you possibly, by any chance, have raised him to "have problems" with certain people? (That's usually the case — it's quite amusing sometimes to see parents wonder about how their children are such-and-such when it's so obvious to anyone else where they got "it" from).

 

[Pawpatrol]

You know them so well, so many miles away.

She is a Muslim.

If she denies the sin of homosexuality she's not a Muslim.

 

[sew.excited73]

Offended: feeling indignation, upset.

Insulted: to be spoken to rudely.


Both words can be found as being a definition of the other in random online dictionaries; perhaps unsurprisingly.

Yes, that makes sense to me… because someone can easily be offended by something someone else said in the nicest possible way, just because they don’t agree, right?

Whereas an insult is clearly being said in a more aggressive tone, either sarcastically laughing or actually aggressive.
So, there is an actual difference.

thank you

 

[Secret Chief]

If she denies the sin of homosexuality she's not a Muslim.

I'll tell her.

 

[Pawpatrol]

I'll tell her.

Thank you.

 

[Kathryn]

No. Islam is not whatever you want it to be. If he disbelieves in the Quran he is definitely not a Muslim. This is something of which there is no disagreement. It's not "gray area".

Is your son Jewish? Is he particularly pro-fornication? Did he offer them drugs? Why does he hate traditions?

Could you possibly, by any chance, have raised him to "have problems" with certain people? (That's usually the case — it's quite amusing sometimes to see parents wonder about how their children are such-and-such when it's so obvious to anyone else where they got "it" from).

No, no, no, and I don't know that he hates traditions. As far as "having problems" with certain people, I doubt it. My son is biracial (black and white) and I raised all my kids to be super tolerant of other religions, walks of life, races, etc.

In fact, he actually looks Middle Eastern and has been regularly mistaken for such.

 

[Secret Chief]

Maybe it has to do with how traditional and anti-semitic so many Sunni Muslims are. @Argentbear

It's thankfully not all negative. eg:

A poll from 2017 found that more than 60% of Muslims in Germany support gay marriage.

In a 2017 poll, American Muslims who say homosexuality should be accepted by society clearly outnumber those who say it should be discouraged (52% versus 33%).

In 2009, a Gallup poll showed that 35% of the French Muslims believed that homosexuality to be "morally acceptable".

A 2016 iVOX survey of Belgian Muslims found that 53% agreed with the statement: "I have no issues with homosexuality."

A 2016 survey of Canadian Muslims showed that 47% of the 18-34 year old Muslims agreed with the statement "homosexuality should be accepted by society."

According to a survey conducted in Istanbul in 2020, 45 per cent of Muslims said that LGBT people should have equal rights.

- LGBT people and Islam - Wikipedia

 

[amorphous_constellation]

You aren't paying attention to my point. Yes, these things happened before but today it's worse ans it has been observed and documented that time and time again Facebook has been where people are learnijg hate, and learninf it like we never have been able to before.
Amd your willpower amd discipline work out as well as the neo-liberal belief the informed consumer will keeo bad companies in check. That doesn't happen.

What I think I concede to you, is a point that modern communication tech can accelerate social reactions, and sure, one of those could be hate. I think people can be trained not to hate however, and resist it, and if they can't, then I'm not sure what hope there is for the human race itself. I suggest we are in a time where discipline has not kept up with tech evolution or revolutions, and you appear to me to disagree

Thinking about the modern conflicts, like ukraine / russia, what's happening in the middle-east, and china / taiwan, one wonders how all the modern communication tech spreads information within those conflicts, and to what degree or ratio misinformation and truth play roles. That's heading to a different, but related topic I suppose

 

[Argentbear]

No. Islam is not whatever you want it to be. If he disbelieves in the Quran he is definitely not a Muslim. This is something of which there is no disagreement. It's not "gray area".

You can beleive that if you like but you don't get to impose your beliefs on anyone else or dictate who someone is or is not.

Is your son Jewish? Is he particularly pro-fornication? Did he offer them drugs? Why does he hate traditions?

Could you possibly, by any chance, have raised him to "have problems" with certain people? (That's usually the case — it's quite amusing sometimes to see parents wonder about how their children are such-and-such when it's so obvious to anyone else where they got "it" from).

Its a fine example of how homophobia is passed on

 

[Pawpatrol]

You can beleive that if you like but you don't get to impose your beliefs on anyone else or dictate who someone is or is not.

Oh it's not me. It's islam itself that dictates who is a Muslim and who is not. Hint: being a Muslim requires one to believe in Islam.