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More than 100 political elites in todays government have slaveholding ancestry.

PureX

Veteran Member
It is?
I figure that everyone has malefactors in their ancestry.
It's a near statistical certainty, not just cuz so many
people are involved, but also morals have evolved.
I agree. Tracing lineage connects any one person to an enormous number of other people very quickly, as we go back generationally. I suspect we are ALL connected to slavery in one time and place or another.

Also, what does it even mean? Are we being held responsible for the crimes of our past generations? Go back far enough and we're all murderers, and rapists, and thieves, and assasins.
 

We Never Know

No Slack
It's true prison is meant as punishment and rightly so, but using human slave labor is also prone to massive abuse.

It explains why there are so many laws made continually now that makes it very easy for a person to land in jail and become an owned slave under the system to the point we are the most incarcerated nation in the entire world with companies buying out prison labor at profit essentially owning people through the state.
Has it ever happened to you?
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
Also, what does it even mean? Are we being held responsible for the crimes of our past generations? Go back far enough and we're all murderers, and rapists, and thieves, and assasins.
Exactly...I don't understand how that can be relevant.

My great-grandparents were staunch fascists...by the way. ;)
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
It's true prison is meant as punishment and rightly so, but using human slave labor is also prone to massive abuse.
The most abusive aspect of imprisonment in USA
is the brutality of the system. I've read that work
is typically a privilege that prisoners want. The pay
sucks, but it's supposed to be punishment.
BTW, I'd prefer that it also be about rehabilitation.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Wasn't talking to you but keep up as it goes and you will see.
When people say that it usually doesn't happen. Like the poor quality philosophy teacher I had going on about original cause amd how that must be true, so I asked what caused god, why must godbe that cause, and she said we'd get to that later in the chapter. That never happened and later in the chapter never brought that up.
 

We Never Know

No Slack
When people say that it usually doesn't happen. Like the poor quality philosophy teacher I had going on about original cause amd how that must be true, so I asked what caused god, why must godbe that cause, and she said we'd get to that later in the chapter. That never happened and later in the chapter never brought that up.
I never said it usually doesn't happen. Neither did the poster I replied to.
Maybe you needed to go talk to your poor quality philosophy teacher again.
 

Kfox

Well-Known Member
It is?



They were paid on average significantly less than a dollar an hour (some paid nothing), and were often forced to at the threat of increased punishment.


They are effectively involuntary labourers belonging to the state.


Whether or not they are slaves depends on your definition of a slave. I would argue anyone considered to belong to an individual or organisation that is forced to do work for little or no pay under the threat of punishment or violence is effectively a form of slave. But they are definitely not victims of a crime. Forced labour is legal in US prisons.
Nowhere did it say anything about violence perpetrated against them for refusing to work, it was more like not getting your sentence reduced or less visitation with family. That’s sounds more like privileges taken away rather than punishments. To compare that to slavery is an insult to our ancestors who had to go through real slavery.
 
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