Mormon Church refuses to bless children of Same-Sex Couples.

[Sonofason]

I don't consider that fine, for a number of reasons; one of those being that you cannot demonstrate that to be the case.

I also don't think it's fine to tell children that if they don't believe, and/or if they question religious belief, then they are going to hell.

And I am not asking you to go against what you believe. You believe what you believe. I am not overly compelled to try to change your beliefs. If you should consider what I am saying true, then good for you. If not, you've made your choice, and that's all I can ask for.

 

[Sonofason]

That's not the way the word is commonly used. Indoctrination has connotations of enforcing a certain viewpoint and not allowing dissenting views. Education is something different.


Not in the common understanding of what indoctrination is.


There is no circumstance where it's justified.

I am not inclined to use words as you personally choose to define them. What you consider common usage in no way reflects what is truly common usage. That's why we have dictionaries. And that's what I use to be sure that my words are correct and proper.

 

[SkepticThinker]

That's not the way the word is commonly used. Indoctrination has connotations of enforcing a certain viewpoint and not allowing dissenting views. Education is something different.

That's how I define it.

Not in the common understanding of what indoctrination is.

There is no circumstance where it's justified.

Agreed.

 

[Sonofason]

What I am gathering here is that if you don't like what is being taught, it is indoctrination. If you in particular agree with what is being taught, you call it education. But the world, my world does not revolve around you. It revolves around me.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I am not inclined to use words as you personally choose to define them. What you consider common usage in no way reflects what is truly common usage. That's why we have dictionaries. And that's what I use to be sure that my words are correct and proper.

If you're not interested in communicating clearly with others, that's your damn problem. But if you want people to understand you, you should know what the common understanding of a word is.

 

[SkepticThinker]

And I am not asking you to go against what you believe. You believe what you believe. I am not overly compelled to try to change your beliefs. If you should consider what I am saying true, then good for you. If not, you've made your choice, and that's all I can ask for.

I guess it would depend on what you mean by "or else."

If you mean "or else I am going to kill you" then that is coercion, and I don't think that's fine at all.
If you mean "or else god is going to punish you" then that can be viewed as coercion as well although I don't believe that will happen. Some people will believe it though.
If you are talking to a child and tell them, "or else god is going to torture you for eternity in a lake of fire" then I have a problem with that.

 

[SkepticThinker]

I am not inclined to use words as you personally choose to define them. What you consider common usage in no way reflects what is truly common usage. That's why we have dictionaries. And that's what I use to be sure that my words are correct and proper.

I would argue that the way Saint Frankenstein and I are using it is a truly common usage of the word, especially when used in a religious context.

 

[Sonofason]

If you're not interested in communicating clearly with others, that's your damn problem. But if you want people to understand you, you should know what the common understanding of a word is.

And you should know what the actually definitions are of the words you use, so that you can understand the concepts that relate to them, which apparently you do not.

 

[Sonofason]

I would argue that the way Saint Frankenstein and I are using it is a truly common usage of the word, especially when used in a religious context.

Birds of a feather, flock together

 

[SkepticThinker]

What I am gathering here is that if you don't like what is being taught, it is indoctrination. If you in particular agree with what is being taught, you call it education. But the world, my world does not revolve around you. It revolves around me.

If what is being taught is not open to criticism or questioning, where ideas are simply being forced upon a person, then yes, I consider that indoctrination or brainwashing, rather than education.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

And you should know what the actually definitions are of the words you use, so that you can understand the concepts that relate to them, which apparently you do not.

You do know that words can have more than one meaning or connotation, right? You don't seem to understand language very well.

 

[Sonofason]

You are both free to indoctrinate your own children in the ways of atheism. And I will do my best to indoctrinate my own children in the ways of God.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Birds of a feather, flock together

This isn't a matter of numbers.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

You are both free to indoctrinate your own children in the ways of atheism. And I will do my best to indoctrinate my own children in the ways of God.

What makes you think I'm an atheist? Or, that if I ever do have kids, I'd make them follow my spiritual beliefs?

 

[SkepticThinker]

You are both free to indoctrinate your own children in the ways of atheism. And I will do my best to indoctrinate my own children in the ways of God.

You're not listening then. I would encourage my child to think for herself and come to her own conclusions about whether or not she believes in god(s).

 

[SkepticThinker]

Birds of a feather, flock together

Not so sure Frankenstein and I are birds of a feather. But thanks for the compliment.

 

[Sonofason]

You do know that words can have more than one meaning or connotation, right? You don't seem to understand language very well.

It seems that you are the one who's forgotten that fact...not me. But you are free to subvert the conversation, and what I've said. I love when you guys go on this path, because I know I've struck a nerve, and you have come to your wit's end...literally, your wits end.

 

[Sonofason]

You're not listening then. I would encourage my child to think for herself and come to her own conclusions about whether or not she believes in god(s).

I don't believe you.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

It seems that you are the one who's forgotten that fact...not me. But you are free to subvert the conversation, and what I've said. I love when you guys go on this path, because I know I've struck a nerve, and you have come to your wit's end...literally, your wits end.

Don't flatter yourself. You're quite insignificant compared to what's on my mind or what I've gone through just today.

 

[SkepticThinker]

I don't believe you.

That's a shame, because I speak the truth. I only wish more people would do the same; then we'd have many more critical thinkers in this world.