Mormon Church refuses to bless children of Same-Sex Couples.

[Robert.Evans]

While at times this knowledge can be disheartening for me personally, I believe that in the end God will make the right choice concerning each and every one of us.

Never let it get you down so far as you can't get back up again. No one ever said it would always be 'beer and skittles', to coin a pun.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Pedophiles are born with this sexuality.

Maybe, maybe not. We're not sure.

How come they are shunned, tortured, killed?

No one should be treated that way just for having a certain attraction. It's actions that count. However, even then, no one should be tortured.

Also, there needs to be a distinction made between people who molest/rape children and people who are true pedophilies. The two aren't necessarily the same thing. The former tend to be sexual psychopaths who enjoy victimizing those viewed as weaken than them. It's a common thing seen among serial killers.

Why is it considered bigotry when gays are being shunned and not when it happens to pedophiles?

Well, gays aren't hurting anyone. However, pedophilies need to be encouraged to control themselves through support and mental health care.

 

[JoStories]

We are supposed to keep the commands of God- that is the whole duty of mankind.

There actually has to be one does there? So if it doesn't say, don't shoot elephants, we should all shoot one I suppose.

No it's not.

NT Romans for one. Anyway, it was considered that if you made sure men kept the law, women would follow, or are we now going to say only people of a certain colour were spoken to at taht time, and there is nothing about the white race.

I don't see why children have to be baptised firstly, and secondly, homosexuality is not natural and so anything that goes along with that has to be banned by those who profess to keep His laws.

1. Keeping God's alleged commandments is the duty of you and those who believe as you do. It is not the duty of the entirety of all of 'mankind'. For those who choose to walk a different path to God, your Bible and its laws and such are not the concern of those not of your faith.
2. If God wanted people to only marry as you say, it would be included in the Bible you adhere. And yes, I'm aware of the statement that Jesus allegedly made for man to take care of his wife. There is only the 'law' about male to male sex which arguable could have been more about infection and the like.
3. In your opinion, its not ambiguous. In mine, it is.
4. Romans was allegedly written by Paul and since we know Paul had never even seen Jesus, his writings are not germane to this discussion. His was more about the culture of the time. Women then were considered chattel, but that is no longer the case. I don't think the race issue has anything to do with this discussion.
5. Again, in your opinion homosexuality is not natural. In mine, it is.

 

[JoStories]

Or you don't.

That was snarky and uncalled for sir. And you wonder why I stated that for most, I am kind. Carry on.

 

[JoStories]

The Mormon church establishment believes that homosexuality is a sin. The children are minors, and ought not be permitted to enter into church membership and be baptized without their parents consent. Because the parents are sinners, those gay parents are ineligible for church membership themselves, which excludes them from being considered fit guardians for their children by the church. It all makes complete sense to me.

To be denied membership in a church is no cause of suffering. I think you're being a little over dramatic. Christ is not going to deny eternal life to any person who is obedient to Him, especially children who are denied the rights of baptism by mere human beings. Let the children grow up and study the word of God. And if they should still believe that Christ is the only way of salvation, let them participate in the church's baptismal ceremonies. Everyone wins, except the sinners who shall one day answer for their sins.

I don't think I am being overly dramatic. And this thing about children not being allowed, or rather having to be indoctrinated is exactly why I loathe those parents who force their children to be indoctrinated in the first place. Children under the age of roughly 10 are not capable of abstract thought. And God and religions are clearly abstract. If this church holds such ideals, children should be allowed to consider the issue when they are able and however it makes sense to them. What you suggest is no different than raising a child to be a blatant racist. Do you think that is okay too? And lastly, I do not believe in sin. I find the concept to be one that leads to an either/or scenario. Either believe this or you go to hell. Its coercion at best.

 

[JoStories]

Pedophiles are born with this sexuality. How come they are shunned, tortured, killed? Why is it considered bigotry when gays are being shunned and not when it happens to pedophiles?

As the mother of a daughter who was raped at 8, I can say that I find your comparison offensive in the extreme. Being gay does not take away the concept of consent between two adults. Children cannot consent to this. Your response is ridiculous in the extreme.

 

[Robert.Evans]

1. Keeping God's alleged commandments is the duty of you and those who believe as you do. It is not the duty of the entirety of all of 'mankind'. For those who choose to walk a different path to God, your Bible and its laws and such are not the concern of those not of your faith.

That is your wrong opinion. Though there are ways to know God, yes.

2. If God wanted people to only marry as you say, it would be included in the Bible you adhere. And yes, I'm aware of the statement that Jesus allegedly made for man to take care of his wife. There is only the 'law' about male to male sex which arguable could have been more about infection and the like.

What to say?? That is a 's-t-r-e-t-c-h' of the imagination I think, and suggests you might have ulterior motives behind it. The scripture is clear. But you are free to ignore it if you want. Just don't say it doesn't say it as that is misleading to others.

3. In your opinion, its not ambiguous. In mine, it is.
4. Romans was allegedly written by Paul and since we know Paul had never even seen Jesus, his writings are not germane to this discussion. His was more about the culture of the time. Women then were considered chattel, but that is no longer the case. I don't think the race issue has anything to do with this discussion.

It is yours and others opinions that he never met him. I say he did. It has little to do with culture and more about commands and teachings.

5. Again, in your opinion homosexuality is not natural. In mine, it is.

It is only natural in the sense that mankind does it, like murder, but both are wrong, but one is an adulteration, and therefore not normal and not natural. I don't see why there is this modern idea of saying that a body part is fine for using for something it is not designed for, clearly.
So again we disagree.
Still the big text. Still not mentioned how you read the rest of the screen

 

[JoStories]

Of course...we are all entitled to our opinions. You may be right. Perhaps the Mormon church is offensive to the true nature of God. Perhaps He's not offended at all. I personally believe in God, and according to my own understandings about God, I believe He is perfectly capable of judging each and everyone of us justly. In my opinion, God knows our hearts. While at times this knowledge can be disheartening for me personally, I believe that in the end God will make the right choice concerning each and every one of us.

I agree most definitely. I have no issue with people who are Christian as long as they keep their faith to themselves and try not to proselytize or convert me. I also believe in God but not in the way that Christians do. Which is fine in my book. And yes, God does know our hearts.

 

[Robert.Evans]

That was snarky and uncalled for sir. And you wonder why I stated that for most, I am kind. Carry on.

"snarky". You can't take a light hearted joke off your comment:

they have no clue what God is about.

Perhaps you read it wrong.

 

[Robert.Evans]

I don't think I am being overly dramatic. And this thing about children not being allowed, or rather having to be indoctrinated is exactly why I loathe those parents who force their children to be indoctrinated in the first place. Children under the age of roughly 10 are not capable of abstract thought. And God and religions are clearly abstract. If this church holds such ideals, children should be allowed to consider the issue when they are able and however it makes sense to them. What you suggest is no different than raising a child to be a blatant racist. Do you think that is okay too? And lastly, I do not believe in sin. I find the concept to be one that leads to an either/or scenario. Either believe this or you go to hell. Its coercion at best.

There is a big difference and instructing someone to be a racist or telling them to be good and believe in an origin. No contest.

 

[Robert.Evans]

As the mother of a daughter who was raped at 8, I can say that I find your comparison offensive in the extreme. Being gay does not take away the concept of consent between two adults. Children cannot consent to this. Your response is ridiculous in the extreme.

I am sorry to hear that. I hope she is okay now.

 

[JoStories]

There is a big difference and instructing someone to be a racist or telling them to be good and believe in an origin. No contest.

IMO, teaching a child to hold ideals against being gay is indoctrination. It sets the stage for hate and I cannot abide that. Hate never leads to anything good. However, that said, if you want to teach your children such things, you have that right. The only problem I have with that is when those children become future Fred Phelps' and do things that attack and defame our soldiers, etc. Then your beliefs affect other peoples live and that is just plain wrong.

 

[Robert.Evans]

IMO, teaching a child to hold ideals against being gay is indoctrination. It sets the stage for hate and I cannot abide that. Hate never leads to anything good. However, that said, if you want to teach your children such things, you have that right. The only problem I have with that is when those children become future Fred Phelps' and do things that attack and defame our soldiers, etc. Then your beliefs affect other peoples live and that is just plain wrong.

Well we certainly shouldn't hate. But there will always be problems like that as we insist on everybody living together... so either we will have some hating others, or we will have people bottling thigns up, and that can lead to problems later. Either way, there are medical things to consider with homosxuality and I think it completely wrong to say that it is normal to any child. There's nothing normal about it. Isn't that why the word "queer" arrived in the first place.
Man and woman produce life. Anything else is an adulteration.

 

[Kirran]

Hence the Church Elders forbidding the continued cohabitation of my parents since my mother got her tubes tied. Right?

 

[Katzpur]

True but polygamy, while illegal insofar as I know, is still practiced by some Mormons.

The "Mormons" who practice polygamy are not members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (the denomination this thread is about). Polygamy is an excommunicable offence in the Church.

And racism is alive and well within that faith.

Of course there are racist Latter-day Saints, but that doesn't mean the Church encourages or even condones racism. There is nothing that is going to change the fact that "racism is alive and well all over America," but Mormons are taught that all races of people are equal. As a matter of fact, in 2012, the Church issued an official statement saying that it , "unequivocally condemns racism, including any and all past racism by individuals both inside and outside the Church.”

I ask you, how many Black American Mormons has anyone seen or heard of? None that I recall.

Oh, Jo, there are tens of thousands of Black American Mormons. And if you go outside of the US, that number jumps to hundreds of thousands. If you'd like to verify the existence of Black American Mormons, please take a look at this thread. (I'm sorry that the font on that site is going to be difficult for you to read.)

 

[Kirran]

Katzpur, you are almost too reasonable for me to even cope with.

 

[Katzpur]

Katzpur, you are almost too reasonable for me to even cope with.

I'll try to work on that.

 

[Katzpur]

I'm sure you're not, but what can you and those other dissenting Mormons do to change it?

Well, we can continue to treat all people with love and respect, and then we can wait. This is a policy. It can and probably will eventually change.

 

[Father Heathen]

If they are trying to keep the commandments, they can neither sanction gay marriage or the above. And if that is what they are doing, I applaud them.

By "keeping the commandments", does that include the prohibition of pork, shrimp, wearing mixed fabrics, rotating crops, speaking to menstruating women, etc.? There is nothing to applaud about cherry picking and double standards.

 

[SkepticThinker]

We are supposed to keep the commands of God- that is the whole duty of mankind.

There actually has to be one does there? So if it doesn't say, don't shoot elephants, we should all shoot one I suppose.

No it's not.

NT Romans for one. Anyway, it was considered that if you made sure men kept the law, women would follow, or are we now going to say only people of a certain colour were spoken to at taht time, and there is nothing about the white race.

I don't see why children have to be baptised firstly, and secondly, homosexuality is not natural and so anything that goes along with that has to be banned by those who profess to keep His laws.

On what basis do you claim that homosexuality is not natural?