Mormon Church refuses to bless children of Same-Sex Couples.

[JoStories]

If they are trying to keep the commandments, they can neither sanction gay marriage or the above. And if that is what they are doing, I applaud them.

Applaud them? Why? Sowing dissent among their own children and making them the ones that suffer. Seems incredibly contrary to what Christ had to say here. And btw, there is NO commandment about gay marriage or partners. There is that ridiculous statement in Leviticus about male to male sex, but even that is ambiguous. And there is nothing about women having partners of the same sex. Not one word on that topic to be found. So you admire a group of alleged followers of Christ holding children to account for their parents? I find that to rather pathetic myself.

 

[JoStories]

Personally, I welcome this development. This is what the Latter Day Saints believe. There should not be any illusions about accepting LGBT people if that is not in the cards. That includes their families and children. In fact, the Mormon church has done outsiders a great favor by broadcasting its position on this issue, and refusing to indulge in confusion.

Nothing has actually changed, as Katzpur alludes to, regarding doctrine. The LDS Church is anti-gay in theology and spirituality and religious practice, and nominally tolerant in some other areas. Now people have more information to evaluate the church and its claims. I see nothing wrong with it.

If they kept this to themselves and only had it pertain to their own members, that would be one thing. But the fact is that they donate millions to certain politicians and lobbyists to garner support for their position, and they try to change the laws that afford me the same rights as a straight couple. I find a great deal wrong with that.

 

[JoStories]

Given what the Bible says, why indeed would any gay person have anything to do with any church, or even God for that matter?

Because, IMO, God has nothing to do with the negativity that is used in the name of God. God, IMO, is not racist, bigoted or against anyone. God made me and I am openly Bisexual. If a group wishes to think that God would condemn people God had a hand in creating, let them. It doesn't affect my relationship with God in any way. It merely means, IMO, that they have no clue what God is about.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

Can anyone explain how this is morally acceptable according to the teachings of Christ?

I really struggle to see how this kind of petty bigotry is anything at all to do with Christ's message.

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

If you say so. But I've seen you switch back and forth between Catholicism and whatever else a whole lot more times than I can count. And, I'm sorry to have to say that you were much nicer as a Catholic.

Like the time Frank was a Catholic Fascist? No. On the whole, I'd say Frank was not nicer when he was Catholic.

 

[Robert.Evans]

Applaud them? Why?

We are supposed to keep the commands of God- that is the whole duty of mankind.

Sowing dissent among their own children and making them the ones that suffer. Seems incredibly contrary to what Christ had to say here. And btw, there is NO commandment about gay marriage or partners.

There actually has to be one does there? So if it doesn't say, don't shoot elephants, we should all shoot one I suppose.

There is that ridiculous statement in Leviticus about male to male sex, but even that is ambiguous.

No it's not.

And there is nothing about women having partners of the same sex.

NT Romans for one. Anyway, it was considered that if you made sure men kept the law, women would follow, or are we now going to say only people of a certain colour were spoken to at taht time, and there is nothing about the white race.

Not one word on that topic to be found. So you admire a group of alleged followers of Christ holding children to account for their parents? I find that to rather pathetic myself.

I don't see why children have to be baptised firstly, and secondly, homosexuality is not natural and so anything that goes along with that has to be banned by those who profess to keep His laws.

 

[Robert.Evans]

Because, IMO, God has nothing to do with the negativity that is used in the name of God. God, IMO, is not racist, bigoted or against anyone. God made me and I am openly Bisexual. If a group wishes to think that God would condemn people God had a hand in creating, let them. It doesn't affect my relationship with God in any way. It merely means, IMO, that they have no clue what God is about.

Or you don't.

 

[Sonofason]

I think they do follow Jesus ?.
Just found this.
Mormons believe Jesus Christ is literally the Son of God, the Savior and Redeemer, who died for the sins of humankind and rose from the dead on the third day with an immortal body. God, the Father, also has an immortal body

Okay, so we have Jesus on the one hand who is more than willing to accept repentant sinners into the kingdom of heaven, and we have the Mormon Church unwilling to allow minors of gay parents from being baptized in their church. Can you please show me what these two facts have to do with each other?

 

[Sonofason]

I think they do follow Jesus ?.
Just found this.
Mormons believe Jesus Christ is literally the Son of God, the Savior and Redeemer, who died for the sins of humankind and rose from the dead on the third day with an immortal body. God, the Father, also has an immortal body

Are you even following our conversation?

Sorry, got a bit distracted for a moment;

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Articles contesting the definition of a word I do not consider to be evidence of hatred being portrayed by the Mormon church against gay people. Now, show me the evidence of the hatred.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Like the time Frank was a Catholic Fascist? No. On the whole, I'd say Frank was not nicer when he was Catholic.

Yeah, I was a bit of an ******* then. I'm just in a horrible situation right now and I'm not stuffing my anger at the moment.

 

[columbus]

Now, show me the evidence of the hatred.

Perhaps if you explained what you think hatred means?

Many of us consider the categorical exclusion of a group of people who are not a threat to qualify as hate.
Personally I don't have a problem with the Mormons doing this to themselves. I doubt that there are many gay parents out there wanting their children involved with such an organization. I assume that this policy is for "domestic consumption". They've lost the battle over marriage equality and this is a way of reinforcing their beliefs going forward. By excluding children.
Tom

 

[Sonofason]

Applaud them? Why? Sowing dissent among their own children and making them the ones that suffer. Seems incredibly contrary to what Christ had to say here. And btw, there is NO commandment about gay marriage or partners. There is that ridiculous statement in Leviticus about male to male sex, but even that is ambiguous. And there is nothing about women having partners of the same sex. Not one word on that topic to be found. So you admire a group of alleged followers of Christ holding children to account for their parents? I find that to rather pathetic myself.

The Mormon church establishment believes that homosexuality is a sin. The children are minors, and ought not be permitted to enter into church membership and be baptized without their parents consent. Because the parents are sinners, those gay parents are ineligible for church membership themselves, which excludes them from being considered fit guardians for their children by the church. It all makes complete sense to me.

To be denied membership in a church is no cause of suffering. I think you're being a little over dramatic. Christ is not going to deny eternal life to any person who is obedient to Him, especially children who are denied the rights of baptism by mere human beings. Let the children grow up and study the word of God. And if they should still believe that Christ is the only way of salvation, let them participate in the church's baptismal ceremonies. Everyone wins, except the sinners who shall one day answer for their sins.

 

[Useless2015]

Because, IMO, God has nothing to do with the negativity that is used in the name of God. God, IMO, is not racist, bigoted or against anyone. God made me and I am openly Bisexual. If a group wishes to think that God would condemn people God had a hand in creating, let them. It doesn't affect my relationship with God in any way. It merely means, IMO, that they have no clue what God is about.

Pedophiles are born with this sexuality. How come they are shunned, tortured, killed? Why is it considered bigotry when gays are being shunned and not when it happens to pedophiles?

 

[Sonofason]

Because, IMO, God has nothing to do with the negativity that is used in the name of God. God, IMO, is not racist, bigoted or against anyone. God made me and I am openly Bisexual. If a group wishes to think that God would condemn people God had a hand in creating, let them. It doesn't affect my relationship with God in any way. It merely means, IMO, that they have no clue what God is about.

Of course...we are all entitled to our opinions. You may be right. Perhaps the Mormon church is offensive to the true nature of God. Perhaps He's not offended at all. I personally believe in God, and according to my own understandings about God, I believe He is perfectly capable of judging each and everyone of us justly. In my opinion, God knows our hearts. While at times this knowledge can be disheartening for me personally, I believe that in the end God will make the right choice concerning each and every one of us.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

Everyone wins, except the sinners who shall one day answer for their sins.

I would rather that bigots answer for their sins.

 

[Sonofason]

Perhaps if you explained what you think hatred means?

I would define hatred as "prejudiced hostility or animosity"
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hatred
animosity - enmity
enmity - ill will
hostility - unfriendly or hostile state
hostile - marked by malevolence
malevolence - having or showing a desire to cause harm to another person

Many of us consider the categorical exclusion of a group of people who are not a threat to qualify as hate.
Personally I don't have a problem with the Mormons doing this to themselves. I doubt that there are many gay parents out there wanting their children involved with such an organization. I assume that this policy is for "domestic consumption". They've lost the battle over marriage equality and this is a way of reinforcing their beliefs going forward. By excluding children.
Tom

Many of you are wrong. So you would say that a Christian church should allow Islamists in their church memberships? That is a sure means to destroy an organization.
Battles are won and lost; The war isn't over until Judgement comes upon the entire world.

Edit. Just noticed your modifier in defining hatred, "that are not a threat".

I should address it. The Mormons likely believe that homosexuals in their church is a threat to the well being of its church members.

 

[JoStories]

I really struggle to see how this kind of petty bigotry is anything at all to do with Christ's message.

Exactly, and it is bigotry and it is also nothing of what Christ taught. Not in the slightest. IMO, some of these people are twisting the words allegedly spoken by Jesus and using them for their own agendas which has nothing to do with the love that Christ tried to teach.

 

[Sonofason]

I would rather that bigots answer for their sins.

I'm sure they will. And if you like, you can be their judge.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

 

[Robert.Evans]

Pedophiles are born with this sexuality. How come they are shunned, tortured, killed? Why is it considered bigotry when gays are being shunned and not when it happens to pedophiles?

I don't even know why you have to ask that question.