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Most here attack or defend. Are there any that just seek God.

Runewolf1973

Materialism/Animism
I no longer seek. I have filled that need.

Because you do not understand you attack and mock. You wear the doubt in your God badly.

If all things are one, then they must be healthy and ordered. One does not perceive the oneness of things in chaos. The ordered oneness you see is perfect otherwise you could not see it. This is gnosis.

Continue to seek God because a God that never reveals himself to you beyond doubt is imagination.

Regards
DL

What the heck are you talking about?:confused: I never attacked or mocked anything or anyone. Stop putting words into people's mouths. You can not tell anyone what they should and should not believe.
 

MoonWater

Warrior Bard
Premium Member
M W

That being the case. There is nothing I can offer.

Please go away.

Regards
DL

:biglaugh:. Do you honestly have no idea how incredibly rude your being? I wasn't looking for anything FROM you to begin with. I don't need anything from you or from anyone else who insults me just for not squeezing myself into their own particular mold. You asked a question and I responded with my own point of view. You asked questions about my point of view and I saught to clarify my position and help you understand where I was coming from. You're the one who turned this into a battle when you resorted to name calling and putting words in my mouth. Here's a tip, DL, you'll be a lot happier and find you have a lot more patience and energy if you stop trying to fit people into your own molds and simply accept them as they are.

And I'm not going to go away. You have no right to order me around and I have every right to post and debate in this thread if I so desire. A little kindness goes a long way DL, you would do well to learn that(and no saying "PLEASE, go away" is not kind.)
 

Runewolf1973

Materialism/Animism
Because it is a God of a failed system. The true God does not exist in a failed or imperfect system. It is to us to see it from His point of view. Only He see all.

Runewolf sees a thorn and from a limited perspective thinks it evil. God sees it as part of perfection and the rose agrees. As a naturalist this should be obvious to you.
See how handy a label can make things.

Regards
DL


I never said the thorn was evil, it is just another part of natures balance. It was a metaphorical statement. For every good thing that happens in nature there is something bad that happens to balance things off. The world cannot be filled with lions or they would probably eat all the remaining animals and starve themselves to death. Same way the world cannot be filled with gazelles, or they would eat all the grasses and die. There MUST be a balance. It is not evil. Only humans create evil. Once again, you are putting words in my mouth.

Perhaps "God" perceives everything as perfect existence and energy. Perhaps "God" does not care about the petty evils we humans create. Perhaps the only thing that matters is keeping the balance. I don't think any God is going to come down and save mankind from their self-concocted miseries. It is up to mankind to deal with man's own problems. My view is not that of a "failed system". Existence can never fail. It only changes form. For those who create evil, something or some natural force eventually comes along and sets those things straight. Some call it Karma.

Compared to this Universe or this existence, we are like the smallest bug or ant. Compared to an ant, perhaps we humans are like God. Do you care if a small ant gets in your way while you are walking through the grass? Do you always notice? I'm sure there are many bugs we step on, but don't even notice. You will notice if you step in an ant pile though. You would probably walk around it. But then again, some people might kick it and destroy it. Do those ants think that God destroyed their homes? Probably not. They just get back up and go straight to work and rebuilding their home. Now if those ants decided to become greedy and take over a whole forest, we humans or their "God" would probably do something to stop it. If humans were to do something that would destroy this planet, eventually some natural force will come along to stop it as well. It is just a balance. That is what I believe "God" is. Existence in balance. Not necessarily perfect from our limited human perspective, but to existence itself, ALL is perfect and in balance. Evil itself is very limited, for it is something we as humans create and does not exist naturally. What man creates, man can also destroy.
 
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Riverwolf

Amateur Rambler / Proud Ergi
Premium Member
Riverwolf will attest to my temper and patience levels so her I can relate.

I don't know what to say. I ask of philosophy and you answer of emotion.
I am not sure where that leaves us.

To your question on my political and religious Gods, I can only explain by asking you to tell me where else a God can come from because I know of no other sourse. I wait for you to educate me on this.

Regards
DL

A child's imagination, maybe?

Maybe a story that's meant to be fictional.

The Old Gods weren't used for political purposes, you know.
 

methylatedghosts

Can't brain. Has dumb.
How do people find like minded people without labels. If there is no cross on the church, how do you know it for a Church.
If prophets are not named then how do you know they are prophets.
If a teacher does not call himself a teacher then how do we know what they have learned or teach. We all have a label. What is yours?
Without labels all society would break down.

Regards
DL

Labels are confining. Limiting

"Catholic Church" is a label... does this mean that a protestant can't pray there?
"Maths teacher" is a label... does this mean you can't learn physics from him/her?
"Criminal" is a label... does this mean he/she has unworthy beliefs?


Labels limit your ideas of what is. As soon as you label a thing, you label it as not-everything-else. Such is the nature of labels.

(I'm just catching up from about 10 pages back... xD)
 

Riverwolf

Amateur Rambler / Proud Ergi
Premium Member
Labels are confining. Limiting

"Catholic Church" is a label... does this mean that a protestant can't pray there?
"Maths teacher" is a label... does this mean you can't learn physics from him/her?
"Criminal" is a label... does this mean he/she has unworthy beliefs?

Exactly.

I'm a pagan. I've gone to a Methodist service and prayed and sang with them. A wonderful experience.

I'm still a pagan.
 

Runewolf1973

Materialism/Animism
Yeah. :)
Although I do agree with you. I see God in everything, but I just don't know in what way to worship said God. :D


I think by merely living in harmony with the natural world, we are worshiping said "God". Even the animals and trees worship in that manner. They merely live and exist for the sake of existence itself. That is worship.:)
 

Breathe

Hostis humani generis
I think by merely living in harmony with the natural world, we are worshiping said "God". Even the animals and trees worship in that manner. They merely live and exist for the sake of existence itself. That is worship.:)
I agree with that as well :D
I guess I'm just looking for some rituals to go with it or something. Something to call that God. Maybe that is my downfall.
 

Runewolf1973

Materialism/Animism
I agree with that as well :D
I guess I'm just looking for some rituals to go with it or something. Something to call that God. Maybe that is my downfall.

No, that's not a downfall, it's just human. I have rituals of my own to help me to connect. I use the runes and also practice shamanic rituals and journeying. I think rituals are just a way of focusing our energies on whatever it is we call "God". Many animals even seem to have their own forms of rituals for whatever reason. It is natural.:)
 

SpiritualBeing

Active Member
Greatest I Am, I do not like the attitude that you have taken to other people. You have questioned my personal religion, and insulted other members on this thread. I will report you to a member of staff if you continue to act in this manner.
 

Greatest I am

Well-Known Member
I'd like to reason but I fail to see how that can happen when you resort to name-calling, putting words in my mouth, and trying to back me into corners by asking me to say if something is one thing or another when I have already explained to you about 50 times that I don't think ANYTHING is either of those things. It would be easier to reason with you if you didn't keep trying to shape me to fit your particular mold. I don't conform to other people's ideas or ideals nor do I fit any stereotypes. I do not and will never fit into any mold you try to cast me in. I'll merely break it apart and walk away from you to spend my time with someone who will actually accept me for who I am rather than call me silly or foolish just because I don't follow his particular world view.

It is impossible to direct someone's focus in a given direction without knowing what direction they are looking from or to. If I thought I could do anything for or with you I would. The school has many rooms and you will not tell me what room you are in.

I know you less today than yesterday. We both waste time and energy. Goodbye.

Regards
DL
 

Greatest I am

Well-Known Member
Yeah. :)
Although I do agree with you. I see God in everything, but I just don't know in what way to worship said God. :D

Yes but do you see the perfection of all things? If you do then you see correctly.

As to worship, God does not want worship, He want converts. This is our only duty to God and all He desires from us.

Regards
DL
 
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