Most here attack or defend. Are there any that just seek God.

[Greatest I am]

Labels are confining. Limiting

"Catholic Church" is a label... does this mean that a protestant can't pray there?
"Maths teacher" is a label... does this mean you can't learn physics from him/her?
"Criminal" is a label... does this mean he/she has unworthy beliefs?


Labels limit your ideas of what is. As soon as you label a thing, you label it as not-everything-else. Such is the nature of labels.

(I'm just catching up from about 10 pages back... xD)

Here is a hint of my thoughts.

YouTube - Signs Signs, Everywhere a Sign

Regards
DL

 

[Greatest I am]

Exactly.

I'm a pagan. I've gone to a Methodist service and prayed and sang with them. A wonderful experience.

I'm still a pagan.

I see a label.

Regards
DL

 

[Greatest I am]

No, that's not a downfall, it's just human. I have rituals of my own to help me to connect. I use the runes and also practice shamanic rituals and journeying. I think rituals are just a way of focusing our energies on whatever it is we call "God". Many animals even seem to have their own forms of rituals for whatever reason. It is natural.

I noticed that you said that animals and trees worship by just living.
Now you say that animals have rituals.

Could you describe how the trees and animals worship and how animals express their rituals?

Regards
DL

 

[Greatest I am]

About that.. is it Christian or something else, by the way? Your name says ChristianBrother, but your religion says not quite decided. Sorry to go off topic.

What's the matter with YOUR attitude? Smiles.

Regards
DL

 

[Runewolf1973]

I see a label.

Regards
DL

Notice the "I" in YOUR label, Greatest I am? That is a sign in itself. It is a sign that you have not yet fully achieved that Consciousness. As long as the "I" is still present, there are still the perceptions the "mind" generates. Lose the "I" and you will understand true oneness with that consciousness.

But that's just a suggestion, don't take it personally.

 

[Greatest I am]

I've checked all my pockets, my car, the couch cushions, everywhere, and couldn't find God...*trails off

YouTube - Johnny Lee

Regards
DL

 

[Greatest I am]

Notice the "I" in YOUR label, Greatest I am? That is a sign in itself. It is a sign that you have not yet fully achieved that Consciousness. As long as the "I" is still present, there are still the perceptions the "mind" generates. Lose the "I" and you will understand true oneness with that consciousness.

But that's just a suggestion, don't take it personally.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Odion
Yeah.
Although I do agree with you. I see God in everything, but I just don't know in what way to worship said God.


I think by merely living in harmony with the natural world, we are worshiping said "God". Even the animals and trees worship in that manner. They merely live and exist for the sake of existence itself. That is worship.
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I see an I.

Regards
DL

 

[Riverwolf]

I will not deal with the maybes. Not worth it.

As to your last, read a bit about Constantine and why he paid for the Bible.
I think if you do you will retract your last.

Regards
DL

I said the "Old God-S", in the PLURAL! BEFORE the Christian era.

I'm more than aware of what Constantine did and why. He exploited the Bible and used it for political purposes, and completely IGNORED the command to "love thy enemies as thy neighbors; love them who shun you".

 

[Riverwolf]

I see a label.

Regards
DL

And you exploit it so that you don't have to pay attention to the point I was making.

You're right, I do label myself as a pagan. That saves me the trouble of having to go through every single one of the individual beliefs that I hold. Because I know who I myself am, I am able to label myself. I don't bother labeling others, because I can't know what's going on in their heads.

 

[Greatest I am]

I said the "Old God-S", in the PLURAL! BEFORE the Christian era.

I'm more than aware of what Constantine did and why. He exploited the Bible and used it for political purposes, and completely IGNORED the command to "love thy enemies as thy neighbors; love them who shun you".

Kings and shaman have always worked together.
Political Gods and Religious Gods all.

Regards
DL

 

[Greatest I am]

And you exploit it so that you don't have to pay attention to the point I was making.

You're right, I do label myself as a pagan. That saves me the trouble of having to go through every single one of the individual beliefs that I hold. Because I know who I myself am, I am able to label myself. I don't bother labeling others, because I can't know what's going on in their heads.

Exactly my point earlier with M W.

Perhaps if you relay this simple fact, she will understan it from you. She did not from me.

Regards
DL

 

[Runewolf1973]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Odion
Yeah.
Although I do agree with you. I see God in everything, but I just don't know in what way to worship said God.


I think by merely living in harmony with the natural world, we are worshiping said "God". Even the animals and trees worship in that manner. They merely live and exist for the sake of existence itself. That is worship.
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I see an I.

Regards
DL

Yes, some of us use our minds (the "I") in positive ways to communicate with others in a respectful and open-minded manner, others use it to boost their selfish egos.

 

[Runewolf1973]

I noticed that you said that animals and trees worship by just living.
Now you say that animals have rituals.

Could you describe how the trees and animals worship and how animals express their rituals?

Regards
DL

It is simple. Trees worship both the earth and the sky with their roots and branches spread out to existence. They become one with both. Animals have several rituals that involve demonstrations related to procreation. They use mating rituals in their attempt to procreate with others of their kind. Procreation is existence in forward drive. Just have a closer look at nature and you will notice all sorts of neat things.

 

[Greatest I am]

It is simple. Trees worship both the earth and the sky with their roots and branches spread out to existence. They become one with both. Animals have several rituals that involve demonstrations related to procreation. They use mating rituals in their attempt to procreate with others of their kind. Procreation is existence in forward drive. Just have a closer look at nature and you will notice all sorts of neat things.

Thanks for this.

Regards
DL

 

[Riverwolf]

Exactly my point earlier with M W.

Perhaps if you relay this simple fact, she will understan it from you. She did not from me.

Regards
DL

I made my comment without any of hers in my head.

Would you care to explain which "point" you made? Because she doesn't label anybody any more than I do. She knows as well as I, and as well as you, that she doesn't know what's going on in other peoples' heads any more than you or I.

 

[Riverwolf]

Kings and shaman have always worked together.
Political Gods and Religious Gods all.

Regards
DL

Got any evidence to back that up?

Last I looked, the gods of the various nations got along with each other nicely. Even the Jewish God was content with foreign gods, as long as they weren't Canaanite.

 

[Runewolf1973]

Thanks for this.

Regards
DL

You are very welcome.

 

[Breathe]

Yes but do you see the perfection of all things? If you do then you see correctly.

As to worship, God does not want worship, He want converts. This is our only duty to God and all He desires from us.

Regards
DL

I see the beauty of everything and what I consider the signature of God. Does this answer it?

 

[Greatest I am]

I made my comment without any of hers in my head.

Would you care to explain which "point" you made? Because she doesn't label anybody any more than I do. She knows as well as I, and as well as you, that she doesn't know what's going on in other peoples' heads any more than you or I.

None of us can without labels as a general guide.

Does a Jew think like a Christian? No.
How do we know? The label.

Regards
DL

 

[Greatest I am]

Got any evidence to back that up?

Last I looked, the gods of the various nations got along with each other nicely. Even the Jewish God was content with foreign gods, as long as they weren't Canaanite.

Your statement tells itself it is false.

Regards
DL