not exactly what happened .. was more a grammar thing than typo .. but is same kind playground stupidity as the Typo Nazi ..we could call it grammar Nazism if that would be a more accurate term but that would not make it any less of a moronic deflection fallacy rabbit hole
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Most recent cases and deaths of Covid-19 are unvaccinated.
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not exactly what happened .. was more a grammar thing than typo .. but is same kind playground stupidity as the Typo Nazi ..we could call it grammar Nazism if that would be a more accurate term but that would not make it any less of a moronic deflection fallacy rabbit hole
SkepticThinker
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Nope, as already pointed out several times.
The "primary goal" of a vaccine is to protect against severe illness from infectious diseases and to prevent hospitalizations and death.
Explaining How Vaccines Work
These resources for healthcare providers can help parents understand how vaccines work.
Objectives of vaccination strategies against COVID-19
This document provides an overview of the possible goals of vaccination against COVID-19 and reflects on potential implications.
Haven't you wondered why I keep asking you how you think vaccines are supposed to work?
This has already been thoroughly explained to you.
mRNA Vaccines were designed to do the same thing as pretty much every other vaccine.
Ah but didn't you also claim that masking and social distancing don't work at all? Now you want it both ways?
SkepticThinker
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Don't pretend you got that crap about kids from the CDC and "journals of medical science."
SkepticThinker
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I did no such thing friend ? I am not the one in favor of forced medical treatment .. .. not the one spouting fake news and wild claims saying the CDC study was misleading and factually irrelevant.
It is not my fault the Study clearly shows that the Vax did not prevent transmission (and the CDC has stated this) -- and I am sorry that the media sources you been listening to have been talking up the falsehood ... Rachel Madow being the butt of many a Joke on this basis.
I did not given any deadly anti science advice .. what is this nonsense you are talking ? you are the one wishing to force unwanted medical treatment on others .. treatment that according to "The Science" can result in Serious Adverse Reaction and even death.
"Combined, the mRNA vaccines were associated with an excess risk of serious adverse events of special interest of 12.5 per 10,000 vaccinated"
Serious adverse events of special interest following mRNA COVID-19 vaccination in randomized trials in adults - PMC
In 2020, prior to COVID-19 vaccine rollout, the Brighton Collaboration created a priority list, endorsed by the World Health Organization, of potential adverse events relevant to COVID-19 vaccines. We adapted the Brighton Collaboration list to ...www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
"The study upon which Malhotra based his claims is a reanalysis of the serious adverse events reported in the main Pfizer/BioNTech and Moderna COVID-19 vaccine trials. Adverse events are health issues that occur following vaccination, but are not necessarily caused by vaccination. The authors of the study claimed to have found that people who received the vaccine had a higher risk of what are called serious adverse events of special interest than those who didn’t.
But as we’ve explained before, one of the problems of the paper is that while the authors focused on serious adverse events of special interest, the trial reported all serious adverse events. As a result, the authors chose the events they thought corresponded to the ones of special interest, which could have resulted in cherry-picking, critics say.
A second issue is that the authors compared the number of people hospitalized with COVID-19 with the number of adverse events of special interest – instead of comparing it with the number of people who experienced these events. That’s problematic because each person could report multiple symptoms or conditions.
Also, a hospitalization can be more serious than some of the adverse events, such as rashes or diarrhea, as Susan Oliver, an Australian scientist who corrects misinformation on YouTube, has explained.
Fraiman has argued against that critique and others. But Jeffrey Morris, director of the division of biostatistics at the University of Pennsylvania, told us in December that the authors’ response to the problems raised was not “sufficient or convincing.”
The benefits of vaccination are also underestimated in the study, Morris told us, because while the protection lasts a long time, the data only reflect the duration of the trials.
By ignoring the rest of the vast literature on the COVID-19 vaccines in favor of a single, flawed analysis, Malhotra is exaggerating the risks of vaccination and providing a misleading and highly skewed view of the risks and benefits."
COVID-19 Vaccine Benefits Outweigh Small Risks, Contrary to Flawed Claim From U.K. Cardiologist - FactCheck.org
Dozens of studies support the use of the mRNA COVID-19 vaccines, which have a good safety profile and work well in preventing severe disease and death. Yet, citing a single, flawed paper, a British cardiologist known for peddling misinformation has misleadingly argued that the shots are harmful...
SkepticThinker
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Not one single person on this thread has advocated for forcing anyone to take a vaccine. Enough with these silly accusations already. They make you look dishonest.
Also, do you have some sort of aversion to proper grammar and sentence structure?
SkepticThinker
Veteran Member
Why are you going on as though all of this has not been thoroughly addressed and refuted several times over in this thread?
Father Heathen
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Stranger than the typo Nazi ? I don't think so .. how one would think the typo nazism is an argument for something is as strange as it gets friend. or how about them folks running around wanting to forcefully Jab thy neighbor .. wanting mandates and so on .. haters of liberty these folks. Do you not agree that hatred of liberty and freedom is even stranger than ....
Speed limits, stop signs, and traffic lights also trample liberty. We should have the freedom to drive at whatever speed we want and to stop or go whenever we want. "Public safety" is just a pretext for tyranny.
Ebionite
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No, liberty isn't the same thing as anarchy.
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Ebionite
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Former cop, detective reveals that HALF of all SIDS (sudden infant death syndrome) cases occur within 48 hours after babies get VACCINATED – NaturalNews.com
Investigator Steve Kirsch recently interviewed a former police officer and detective named Jennifer who told him that more than half of all the SIDS (sudden infant death syndrome) cases she handled while working law enforcement in a major U.S. city occurred in babies who had just been vaccinated...
Wandering Monk
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Former cop, detective reveals that HALF of all SIDS (sudden infant death syndrome) cases occur within 48 hours after babies get VACCINATED – NaturalNews.com
Investigator Steve Kirsch recently interviewed a former police officer and detective named Jennifer who told him that more than half of all the SIDS (sudden infant death syndrome) cases she handled while working law enforcement in a major U.S. city occurred in babies who had just been vaccinated...www.naturalnews.com
You need to Google this guy, Steve Kirsch. And how is a police detective more qualified to diagnose cause of sudden infant death than the doctors who filled out the death certificates?
In May 2021, Kirsch posted an article online claiming that COVID-19 vaccines affect fertility, while also underplaying the vaccines' ability to prevent illness and death, both statements criticized by fact checkers as being inaccurate and misleading.[14] In September 2021, speaking at an FDA meeting and identifying himself as CETF's executive director, Kirsch claimed that the vaccines "kill twice as many as they save"; the FDA responded that Kirsch had misinterpreted data and that there was no evidence his statement was true.[11][15] Reuters assessed the claim as false.[15]
In October 2021, Kirsch founded the anti-vaccine group Vaccine Safety Research Foundation (VSRF),[16] which created ads depicting deaths the group attributed to vaccines.[17][18] Foundation advisors include Robert Malone, Peter McCullough, and Stephanie Seneff. Before this, in June 2021, Kirsch had appeared with Malone on the Bret Weinstein and Heather Heying podcast, which according to MIT Technical Review "introduced Kirsch to followers of the 'intellectual dark web'" and allowed him to access a "large and receptive audience to his claims about a fluvoxamine conspiracy".[11]
Steve Kirsch - Wikipedia
Ebionite
Well-Known Member
No, I don't.
Wandering Monk
Well-Known Member
From KFF (Formerly the Kaiser Family Foundation):
kffhealthnews.org
From MIT Technology Review:
www.technologyreview.com
Activist Misuses Federal Data to Make False Claim That Covid Vaccines Killed 676,000 - KFF Health News
Anti-vaccine tech entrepreneur Steve Kirsch, whose wild assertions have been repeatedly debunked, wrongly attributes deaths following vaccination to the vaccines themselves. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, which runs the database, calls that inaccurate and irresponsible.
kffhealthnews.org
From MIT Technology Review:
This tech millionaire went from covid trial funder to misinformation superspreader
After boosting unproven covid drugs and campaigning against vaccines, Steve Kirsch was abandoned by his team of scientific advisers—and left out of a job.
Unfettered
A striving disciple of Jesus Christ
Humans don't have an inherent right to speed or run stop signs or traffic lights, so a simple argument that such laws regulating such actions trample liberty is a strawman assertion. On the other hand, "public safety" does become a de facto pretext for tyranny when government compels the injection of a substance into one's body—over which government is not sovereign—without due process.
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Father Heathen
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So what makes some reckless, irresponsible behavior that endangers others "liberty", and other reckless, irresponsible behavior that endangered others "anarchy"?
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
But they have an inherent right to transmit infectious diseases? Both behaviors endanger others.
If the government isn't sovereign over the body, then I assume you're pro-choice when it comes to reproductive freedom, as well as pro trans rights?
His claim (if it were true) is like the various statistics citedYou need to Google this guy, Steve Kirsch. And how is a police detective more qualified to diagnose cause of sudden infant death than the doctors who filled out the death certificates?
In May 2021, Kirsch posted an article online claiming that COVID-19 vaccines affect fertility, while also underplaying the vaccines' ability to prevent illness and death, both statements criticized by fact checkers as being inaccurate and misleading.[14] In September 2021, speaking at an FDA meeting and identifying himself as CETF's executive director, Kirsch claimed that the vaccines "kill twice as many as they save"; the FDA responded that Kirsch had misinterpreted data and that there was no evidence his statement was true.[11][15] Reuters assessed the claim as false.[15]In October 2021, Kirsch founded the anti-vaccine group Vaccine Safety Research Foundation (VSRF),[16] which created ads depicting deaths the group attributed to vaccines.[17][18] Foundation advisors include Robert Malone, Peter McCullough, and Stephanie Seneff. Before this, in June 2021, Kirsch had appeared with Malone on the Bret Weinstein and Heather Heying podcast, which according to MIT Technical Review "introduced Kirsch to followers of the 'intellectual dark web'" and allowed him to access a "large and receptive audience to his claims about a fluvoxamine conspiracy".[11]Steve Kirsch - Wikipedia
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to reach a wrong-but-obvious conclusion of danger.
Example...
M most car accidents happen within 5 minutes of home.
Bogus conclusion: Stay away from home.
Even if vaccination did result in some SIDS cases, it would
be necessary to compare the morbidity & mortality rates
of vaccination vs non-vaccination.
SIDS is uncommon, & has been waning over the decades
to under 40 per 100,000 live births. But the dangers of
not vaccinating infants is far greater due to contracting
the diseases otherwise prevented.
Ref...
Impact of Routine Childhood Immunization in Reducing Vaccine-Preventable Diseases in the United States
BACKGROUND AND OBJECTIVES. Current routine immunizations for children aged ≤10 years in the United States in 2019 cover 14 vaccine-preventable diseases. We characterize the public-health impact of vaccination by providing updated estimates of disease incidence with and without universally...
Fact Check: Missed vaccinations did not reduce US sudden infant death rate
Sudden and unexpected infant deaths increased significantly in the U.S. in 2020, according to Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) data, even as child vaccination rates dropped, contrary to posts claiming that sudden infant death syndrome (SIDS) became virtually nonexistent because...
Data and Statistics for SIDS and SUID | CDC
In 2017, there were 3,600 sudden unexpected infant deaths (SUID) in the United States. Find more data about SUID and SIDS from CDC.
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metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Some may be interested in this:
TALLAHASSEE, Fla. -- Florida will have to provide COVID-19 data to the public again after a former Democratic state representative settled a lawsuit with Republican Gov. Ron DeSantis' administration over the decision two years ago to stop posting information on the virus' spread online.-- Florida settles lawsuit over COVID data, agrees to provide weekly stats to the public
TALLAHASSEE, Fla. -- Florida will have to provide COVID-19 data to the public again after a former Democratic state representative settled a lawsuit with Republican Gov. Ron DeSantis' administration over the decision two years ago to stop posting information on the virus' spread online.-- Florida settles lawsuit over COVID data, agrees to provide weekly stats to the public
Ebionite
Well-Known Member
Only your misapprehension of what liberty is.
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
Answer the question, please.
Ebionite
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To do so would endorse your error.