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Most recent cases and deaths of Covid-19 are unvaccinated.

Ebionite

Well-Known Member
Can you give examples?
They are best understood by comparing them with natural rights. The human right to life is conditional on the purposes and principles of the United Nations, but the natural right to like is only conditional on forfeiture, eg murder results in the forfeiture of the natural right to life (lex talionis).
 

Unfettered

A striving disciple of Jesus Christ
They are best understood by comparing them with natural rights. The human right to life is conditional on the purposes and principles of the United Nations, but the natural right to like is only conditional on forfeiture, eg murder results in the forfeiture of the natural right to life (lex talionis).
Thank you. The UN doesn't control the term "human rights."

That said, I am happy to refer only to "natural rights" when I'm directly addressing you.

Apart from that concession, all my posts will be within the framework of human rights = natural rights.

Hope that helps.
 
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Ebionite

Well-Known Member
Thank you. The UN doesn't control the term "human rights."
It doesn't control how the term is interpreted, but the facts remain. Since you have ignored the facts about the difference between natural rights and human rights I'm putting you on ignore.
 

Unfettered

A striving disciple of Jesus Christ
It doesn't control how the term is interpreted, but the facts remain. Since you have ignored the facts about the difference between natural rights and human rights I'm putting you on ignore.
Understood. The door for discussion will be open on this end if you ever decide you'd like to talk with me again.
 

Unfettered

A striving disciple of Jesus Christ
Dr. Peter McCullough emerged during the COVID-19 panic as a champion of science and truth. Great respect for Dr. McCullough. Did you see his testimony at the senate Homeland Security hearing in Nov of 2020 about early outpatient treatment of COVID-19? If not, you should watch that. It's like 2.5 hours long if you watch the whole thing (very much worth your time).


The jaw-drop moment in the hearing began, starting at timestamp 2:14:45, when Dr. Fareed, who had experiential knowledge gained through treating patients with COVID-19, along with the two other doctors (McCullough, Risch) who were also actively treating COVID-19 patients, said about the government-employee doctor (Jha - the White House COVID-19 Response Coordinator)—who during the entire hearing had dismissed out of hand everything that the private-practice doctors were saying—that he (Dr. Fareed) wondered if Dr. Jha actually saw patients, based on how Dr. Jha had been speaking during the hearing.

When the time was given to Dr. Jha, he went on at length about how he is a practicing physician, and how his patients want him to look at the evidence and provide science-based treatments, and how he wanted the private doctors to be respectful to him on account of his credentials, etc.

Senator Johnson pins him down and asks him point-blank how many COVID-19 patients he'd treated. The answer? None.

Not even one.

To this day, that exchange and moment represents, to me, the COVID-19 panic in a nutshell from a civil standpoint—common citizens in the trenches of reality coming into actual solutions through actual science, being shut down by bureaucrats with no practical or practice-based knowledge or experience of any kind…just academics…just theories…just policies—and the bully pulpit.
 
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Wandering Monk

Well-Known Member
Dr. Peter McCullough emerged during the COVID-19 panic as a champion of science and truth. Great respect for Dr. McCullough. Did you see his testimony at the senate Homeland Security hearing in Nov of 2020 about early outpatient treatment of COVID-19? If not, you should watch that. It's like 2.5 hours long if you watch the whole thing (very much worth your time).


The jaw-drop moment in the hearing began, starting at timestamp 2:14:45, when Dr. Fareed, who had experiential knowledge gained through treating patients with COVID-19, along with the two other doctors (McCullough, Risch) who were also actively treating COVID-19 patients, said about the government-employee doctor (Ashish)—who during the entire hearing had dismissed out of hand everything that the private-practice doctors were saying—that he (Dr. Fareed) wondered if Dr. Ashish actually saw patients, based on how Dr. Ashish had been speaking during the hearing.

When the time was given to Dr. Ashish, he went on at length about how he is a practicing physician, and how his patients want him to look at the evidence and provide science-based treatments, and how he wanted the private doctors to be respectful to him on account of his credentials, etc. Senator Johnson pins him down and asks him point-blank how many COVID-19 patients he'd treated.

The answer? None.

Not even one.

To this day, that represents the COVID-19 panic in a nutshell from a civil standpoint—common citizens coming into actual solutions through real science being shut down by bureaucrats with no practical or practice-based knowledge or experience of any kind; just academics…just theories.
Really? Peter McCullough?

 

Ebionite

Well-Known Member
Mark Skidmore wrote a paper that showed that 217,000 Americans were killed in 2021 by the COVID vaccine.

The journal retracted the article and Mark’s university commenced a 7-month investigation into unethical behavior by Professor Skidmore.

Today, I’m pleased to announce that Professor Skidmore has been exonerated on all charges and his paper, with some helpful additions suggested by Dr. Susan Oliver (and her dog, Cindy), has now been published in another peer-reviewed journal.

 

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
Dr William Makis:

"injury to the heart could be as high as 1 in 30 people per injection"
"spike protein in the heart is a very big issue"

Where's his evidence?

Meanwhile ...

"The overall risk of myocarditis – inflammation of the heart muscle – is substantially higher immediately after being infected with COVID-19 than it is in the weeks following vaccination for the coronavirus, a large new study in England shows.

The detailed analysis of nearly 43 million people was published Monday in the American Heart Association journal Circulation.

"We found that across this large dataset, the entire COVID-19-vaccinated population of England during an important 12-month period of the pandemic when the COVID-19 vaccines first became available, the risk of myocarditis following COVID-19 vaccination was quite small compared to the risk of myocarditis after COVID-19 infection," the study's lead author, Martina Patone, said in a news release. She is a statistician at the University of Oxford Nuffield Department of Primary Health Care Sciences in England.

"This analysis provides important information that may help guide public health vaccine campaigns, particularly since COVID-19 vaccination has expanded in many parts of the world to include children as young as 6 months old," Patone said."


"Research is making a clear point. You have a much greater chance of developing heart problems, including myocarditis, if you contract COVID-19 compared with getting a COVID-19 vaccine."



"According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), myocarditis has been identified as a rare side effect of the mRNA vaccine. This side effect is seen much more often in male teens and young adults, as compared to other ages, and is likely due to an exaggerated immune response. Scientists are actively monitoring reports of myocarditis and continuing to learn more about its relationship to the COVID-19 vaccine.

Fortunately, current studies show that post-vaccine-related myocarditis is typically much more mild than classic myocarditis, with symptoms lasting for a shorter amount of time and usually resolving with minimal, if any, medical treatment.

“In classic myocarditis, there are a wide range of presentations, from very mild symptoms to extremely serious, or even fatal, cases,” says Matthew Elias, MD, attending cardiologist in CHOP’s Cardiac Center. “Overall, this does not seem to be happening in post-vaccine myocarditis. In the patients seen at CHOP and at other hospitals, symptoms are generally mild and self-resolving, and heart function is less affected, if affected at all.”

Dr. Elias also notes that patients with post-vaccine myocarditis typically experience a quick recovery, with little to no medical therapy, as opposed to the extensive treatment and possible mechanical support that can be needed in non-vaccine-related myocarditis."



"In this systematic review and meta-analysis, we found that the risk of myocarditis is more than seven fold higher in persons who were infected with the SARS-CoV-2 than in those who received the vaccine. These findings support the continued use of mRNA COVID-19 vaccines among all eligible persons per CDC and WHO recommendations."

 

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
Mark Skidmore wrote a paper that showed that 217,000 Americans were killed in 2021 by the COVID vaccine.

The journal retracted the article and Mark’s university commenced a 7-month investigation into unethical behavior by Professor Skidmore.

Today, I’m pleased to announce that Professor Skidmore has been exonerated on all charges and his paper, with some helpful additions suggested by Dr. Susan Oliver (and her dog, Cindy), has now been published in another peer-reviewed journal.

I'll tell you at least one problem with his study, and it's this:

The study conducted an online survey in late December 2021 of 2,840 participants that match the U.S. population and compared their responses with the fatalities reported in the Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System (VAERS). The study found that the impact of COVID shot injuries has a larger impact than the illness itself on someone’s decision to get the shot. Dr. Skidmore’s key findings include:"



The CDC's VAERS page clearly states this disclaimer:

"VAERS accepts reports of adverse events that occur following vaccination. Anyone, including healthcare providers, vaccine manufacturers, and the public, can submit reports to the system. While very important in monitoring vaccine safety, VAERS reports alone cannot be used to determine if a vaccine caused or contributed to an adverse event or illness. Vaccine providers are encouraged to report any clinically significant health problem following vaccination to VAERS even if they are not sure if the vaccine was the cause. In some situations, reporting to VAERS is required of healthcare providers and vaccine manufacturers.
VAERS reports may contain information that is incomplete, inaccurate, coincidental, or unverifiable. Reports to VAERS can also be biased. As a result, there are limitations on how the data can be used scientifically. Data from VAERS reports should always be interpreted with these limitations in mind.

The strengths of VAERS are that it is national in scope and can often quickly detect an early hint or warning of a safety problem with a vaccine. VAERS is one component of CDC's and FDA's multifaceted approach to monitoring safety after vaccines are licensed or authorized for use. There are multiple, complementary systems that CDC and FDA use to capture and validate data from different sources. VAERS is designed to rapidly detect unusual or unexpected patterns of adverse events, also referred to as "safety signals." If a possible safety signal is found in VAERS, further analysis is performed with other safety systems, such as the CDC’s Vaccine Safety Datalink (VSD) and Clinical Immunization Safety Assessment (CISA) Project, or in the FDA BEST (Biologics Effectiveness and Safety) system. These systems are less impacted by the limitations of spontaneous and voluntary reporting in VAERS and can better assess possible links between vaccination and adverse events. Additionally, CDC and FDA cannot provide individual medical advice regarding any report to VAERS.

Key considerations and limitations of VAERS data:


  • The number of reports alone cannot be interpreted as evidence of a causal association between a vaccine and an adverse event, or as evidence about the existence, severity, frequency, or rates of problems associated with vaccines.
  • Reports may include incomplete, inaccurate, coincidental, and unverified information.
  • VAERS does not obtain follow up records on every report. If a report is classified as serious, VAERS requests additional information, such as health records, to further evaluate the report.
  • VAERS data are limited to vaccine adverse event reports received between 1990 and the most recent date for which data are available.
  • VAERS data do not represent all known safety information for a vaccine and should be interpreted in the context of other scientific information.
VAERS data available to the public include only the initial report data to VAERS. Updated data which contains data from medical records and corrections reported during follow up are used by the government for analysis. However, for numerous reasons including data consistency, these amended data are not available to the public.


Additionally, reports to VAERS that appear to be false or fabricated with the intent to mislead CDC and FDA may be reviewed before they are added to the VAERS database. Knowingly filing a false VAERS report is a violation of Federal law (18 U.S. Code § 1001) punishable by fine and imprisonment."


 

shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
Mark Skidmore wrote a paper that showed that 217,000 Americans were killed in 2021 by the COVID vaccine.

The journal retracted the article and Mark’s university commenced a 7-month investigation into unethical behavior by Professor Skidmore.

Today, I’m pleased to announce that Professor Skidmore has been exonerated on all charges and his paper, with some helpful additions suggested by Dr. Susan Oliver (and her dog, Cindy), has now been published in another peer-reviewed journal.

I read the article and found an interesting subjective leap of the from the numbers of those that "could" have been killed to the numbers that "were" ;killed.
 
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Ebionite

Well-Known Member
I read the article and found an interesting subjective leap of the from the numbers of those that "could" have been killed to the numbers that "were" ;killed.
Fair enough. Using the dose data from statista of 655 million and the death/dose rate of 0.1% from the NZ Ministry of Health data, Skidmore's estimate looks pretty conservative (I'm assuming that there's no difference in the mortality rate between the different manufacturers).

 

shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
Links? Sauce for the g... uh I mean source?
Have you been following the thread and did you do any research on your own????


The pandemic inflicted higher rates of excess deaths on both Republicans and Democrats. But after COVID-19 vaccines arrived, Republican voters in Florida and Ohio died at a higher rate than their counterparts, according to a new study.

Researchers from Yale University who studied the pandemic's effects on those two states say that from the pandemic's start in March 2020 through December 2021, "excess mortality was significantly higher for Republican voters than Democratic voters after COVID-19 vaccines were available to all adults, but not before."

Pro-Trump counties continue to suffer far higher COVID death tolls

UNTANGLING DISINFORMATION

Pro-Trump counties continue to suffer far higher COVID death tolls

More specifically, the researchers say, their adjusted analysis found that "the excess death rate among Republican voters was 43% higher than the excess death rate among Democratic voters" after vaccine eligibility was opened.

The different rates "were concentrated in counties with lower vaccination rates, and primarily noted in voters residing in Ohio," according to the study that was published in the journal JAMA Internal Medicine on Monday.

It's the latest research to suggest the perils of mixing partisan politics with medical advice and health policy.

You know those folks who had COVID but no symptoms? A new study offers a

n explanation

The study collected weekly death counts, breaking down the deceased's party ties along with their county and age cohort. It used May 1, 2021, as a key dividing line because the date marks a month after all U.S. adults became eligible to receive shots of the COVID-19 vaccines.

The researchers estimated excess mortality based on how the overall rate of deaths during the pandemic compared to what would have been expected from historical, pre-pandemic trends.

Researchers saw a divide suddenly emerge​

As they calculated excess death rate data for Florida and Ohio, the researchers found only small differences between Republican and Democratic voters in the first year of the pandemic, with both groups suffering similarly sharp rises in excess deaths that winter.

FDA advisers back updated COVID shots for fall vaccinations

Things changed as the summer of 2021 approached. When coronavirus vaccine access widened, so did the excess death gap. In the researchers' adjusted analysis of the period after April 1, 2021, they calculated Democratic voters' excess death rate at 18.1, and Republicans' at 25.8 — a 7.7 percentage-point difference equating to a 43% gap.

After the gap was established in the summer of 2021, it widened further in the fall, according to the study's authors.

The study doesn't provide all the answers​

The researchers note that their study has several limitations, including the chance that political party affiliation "is a proxy for other risk factors," such as income, health insurance status and chronic medical conditions, along with race and ethnicity.

New findings join other reviews of politics and the pandemic

In late 2021, an NPR analysis found that after May of that year — a timeframe that overlaps the vaccine availability cited in the new study — people in counties that voted strongly for Donald Trump in the 2020 presidential election were "nearly three times as likely to die from COVID-19" as people in pro-Biden counties.

"An unvaccinated person is three times as likely to lean Republican as they are to lean Democrat," as Liz Hamel, vice president of public opinion and survey research at the nonpartisan Kaiser Family Foundation, told NPR.

Pro-Trump counties now have far higher COVID death rates. Misinformation is to blame

SHOTS - HEALTH NEWS

Pro-Trump counties now have far higher COVID death rates. Misinformation is to blame

Even before vaccines were widely accessible, researchers were working to quantify the effects of vastly divergent COVID-19 policies across U.S. states.

A widely cited study from early 2021 found that in the early months of the pandemic's official start date in March 2020, states with Republican governors saw lower COVID-19 case numbers and death rates than Democratic-led states. But the trend reversed around the middle of 2020, as Republican governors were less likely to institute controls such as stay-at-home orders and face mask requirements.

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Ebionite

Well-Known Member
Have you been following the thread and did you do any research on your own????


The pandemic inflicted higher rates of excess deaths on both Republicans and Democrats. But after COVID-19 vaccines arrived, Republican voters in Florida and Ohio died at a higher rate than their counterparts, according to a new study.

Researchers from Yale University who studied the pandemic's effects on those two states say that from the pandemic's start in March 2020 through December 2021, "excess mortality was significantly higher for Republican voters than Democratic voters after COVID-19 vaccines were available to all adults, but not before."

Pro-Trump counties continue to suffer far higher COVID death tolls

UNTANGLING DISINFORMATION

Pro-Trump counties continue to suffer far higher COVID death tolls

More specifically, the researchers say, their adjusted analysis found that "the excess death rate among Republican voters was 43% higher than the excess death rate among Democratic voters" after vaccine eligibility was opened.

The different rates "were concentrated in counties with lower vaccination rates, and primarily noted in voters residing in Ohio," according to the study that was published in the journal JAMA Internal Medicine on Monday.

It's the latest research to suggest the perils of mixing partisan politics with medical advice and health policy.

You know those folks who had COVID but no symptoms? A new study offers a

n explanation

The study collected weekly death counts, breaking down the deceased's party ties along with their county and age cohort. It used May 1, 2021, as a key dividing line because the date marks a month after all U.S. adults became eligible to receive shots of the COVID-19 vaccines.

The researchers estimated excess mortality based on how the overall rate of deaths during the pandemic compared to what would have been expected from historical, pre-pandemic trends.

Researchers saw a divide suddenly emerge​

As they calculated excess death rate data for Florida and Ohio, the researchers found only small differences between Republican and Democratic voters in the first year of the pandemic, with both groups suffering similarly sharp rises in excess deaths that winter.

FDA advisers back updated COVID shots for fall vaccinations

Things changed as the summer of 2021 approached. When coronavirus vaccine access widened, so did the excess death gap. In the researchers' adjusted analysis of the period after April 1, 2021, they calculated Democratic voters' excess death rate at 18.1, and Republicans' at 25.8 — a 7.7 percentage-point difference equating to a 43% gap.

After the gap was established in the summer of 2021, it widened further in the fall, according to the study's authors.

The study doesn't provide all the answers​

The researchers note that their study has several limitations, including the chance that political party affiliation "is a proxy for other risk factors," such as income, health insurance status and chronic medical conditions, along with race and ethnicity.

New findings join other reviews of politics and the pandemic

In late 2021, an NPR analysis found that after May of that year — a timeframe that overlaps the vaccine availability cited in the new study — people in counties that voted strongly for Donald Trump in the 2020 presidential election were "nearly three times as likely to die from COVID-19" as people in pro-Biden counties.

"An unvaccinated person is three times as likely to lean Republican as they are to lean Democrat," as Liz Hamel, vice president of public opinion and survey research at the nonpartisan Kaiser Family Foundation, told NPR.

Pro-Trump counties now have far higher COVID death rates. Misinformation is to blame

SHOTS - HEALTH NEWS

Pro-Trump counties now have far higher COVID death rates. Misinformation is to blame

Even before vaccines were widely accessible, researchers were working to quantify the effects of vastly divergent COVID-19 policies across U.S. states.

A widely cited study from early 2021 found that in the early months of the pandemic's official start date in March 2020, states with Republican governors saw lower COVID-19 case numbers and death rates than Democratic-led states. But the trend reversed around the middle of 2020, as Republican governors were less likely to institute controls such as stay-at-home orders and face mask requirements.

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What isn't addressed is the possibility of non-uniform lots. There's evidence for this from the NZ data, where peak death/dose for a specific lot was around 24% while the mean death/dose was around 0.1%.
 
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