The Reverend Bob
Fart Machine and Beastmaster
The possible removal from office, which means Pence would become President and we are back to square one all over again
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Mueller Hearings
- Thread starter The Reverend Bob
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Ironically enough thanks to the Mueller report it has re-raised concerns with evidence about DNC corruption. Which as you said warrants further investigation. The Dems dug their own grave on this by trying to Patsy Trump with conspiracy then covering it up.
Stanyon
WWMRD?
And no indictment - No collusion
The Reverend Bob
Fart Machine and Beastmaster
Please elaborate?
The Reverend Bob
Fart Machine and Beastmaster
Thus far there are 199 criminal charges, 37 indictments or guilty pleas, and 5 prison sentences.
Stanyon
WWMRD?
A judge (in Florida I believe)recently ruled that an indictment is not proof of anything which undercuts about half of Muellers report.
No matter how badly some wanted this to be some bombshell, it wasn't and it might very likely be far worse for the democrats.
Oh well, don't say I didn't warn you
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Senate Republicans will not vote to remove Trump from office.
dianaiad
Well-Known Member
Bork.
Kavanaugh
Dr. Ben Carson.
I would say, personally, that this sort of thing is pretty much SOP, especially by Democrats. Not that Republicans are lily pure, they are, of course, not.
In fact, I don't see a whole lot of difference in the approach and the goal. What I DO see is rampant hypocrisy. So when someone calls 'shame' against the 'other guy' for doing this, I think 'mote and beam,' quite frankly.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
I really doubt that happened, because, legally speaking and defined, an indictment is nothing more than an accusation, and it happens WAY before a verdict of "guilty" or "not guilty." If it did happen, it was political pandering as the ruling would be redundant and do absolutely nothing.
The Reverend Bob
Fart Machine and Beastmaster
Yup. Bad for the party. Not because they think Trump is the greatest but the action would shed a bad light on the party that is associated with Trump.
The Reverend Bob
Fart Machine and Beastmaster
An accusation that as been investigation and warrants further action such as criminal charges
dianaiad
Well-Known Member
Well, that's fair. Better than fair. Senate Democrats did not vote to remove Clinton from office, and he was manifestly guilty of the charges. I mean, really; everybody in the USA was witness to that very simple fact; Clinton did indeed lie to congress, while under oath, about 'having sex with that woman." He did indeed obstruct (and attempt to obstruct" justice by suborning perjury, desperately attempting to get rid of all evidence regarding Lewinsky, lying about Jones....We KNOW this stuff.
(shrug)
And the charges against Trump are far less cut and dry. In fact, mostly they are made up out of whole cloth and are 100% partisan political idiocy.
..............and don't look at me; I would have voted to acquit Clinton, too, even though his guilt was beyond any doubt, even reasonable doubt. It wasn't a matter of opinion; it was a matter of proven fact with very clear records.
AND I disagreed with his politics. AND I was personally very angry with him because of the land grabs he performed that truly damaged members of my extended family.
One does not vote to remove a president from office for anything but 'high crimes and misdemeanors," and those charges, however guilty of them he was, did not arise to that level. They were sordid, embarrassing, and really showed the nation what sort of character he actually was, but.....not 'high crimes and misdemeanors."
And it's not like the Democrats didn't know precisely the sort of man he was when they voted for him in the first place.
Neither do the incredibly idiotic 'search and invent' charges being leveled against Trump.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Further action, but it does not prove guilt or innocence alone, and doesn't even necessarily mean a trial will happen. Being accused, by its definition, does not prove anything. That's why I doubt the ruling even happened.
The Reverend Bob
Fart Machine and Beastmaster
That is up to the court if further action is taken
The Reverend Bob
Fart Machine and Beastmaster
If criminal charges are filed, trials usually happen. Not always but usually.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
And not even the act of going to trial proves guilt or innocence, or anything beyond the issue went to trial.
Riders
Well-Known Member
I dont see Dems in trouble, let me know when charges are brought against Democrats Ill be waiting.
The Reverend Bob
Fart Machine and Beastmaster
That is up to the judge and/or jury
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
And thus why I stated I doubt the previously mentioned ruling happened. And indictment proves nothing beyond an indictment was issued. It would basically be a ruling to make a redundant decision that changes nothing.