The Reverend Bob
Fart Machine and Beastmaster
It proves that an accusation may warrant further action if enough evidence is presented
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Mueller Hearings
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Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
No. It would be DOA in the Senate, and there are more indications it won't happen than it will (such as low support and Pelosi being reluctant due the likeliness of it empowering Trump and his base).
shmogie
Well-Known Member
No, I don´t think so. They weren´t in his chain of command.
shmogie
Well-Known Member
Politically, yes. Impeachment is a political remedy, not a legal one. 2/3 of the senate will not vote for removal. The issue is dead.
Slick Willy lied under oath, perjury, yet no democrat would vote for removal. That is all you need to know.
shmogie
Well-Known Member
They can investigate forever, impeachment is a dead duck. Removal has never, nor will it ever happen.
The Reverend Bob
Fart Machine and Beastmaster
DOJ adopted it as policy.
https://www.vox.com/2019/7/24/20708...epartment-indictment-charge-sitting-president
shmogie
Well-Known Member
That has been the policy for a long time. There was nothing preventing him from identifying crimes, was there, that was what he was hired to do.
The Reverend Bob
Fart Machine and Beastmaster
That would be an indictment, and you know better.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Nixon faced a very high probability of that happening to him, but he instead resigned.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Identifying crimes is just that. A crime you have identified. But identifying one is not the same as a formal indictment. Such as, a police officer may witness the crime of a driver possessing a marijuana cigarette, but chose to not arrest the person, in which case no indictment of that crime will be brought forth.
shmogie
Well-Known Member
Of course not. Do you know what an indictment is ? It is a specific legal proceeding whereby evidence is presented, and an order to file a criminal complaint is issued.
Usually this procedure is conducted before a grand jury, and that jury is who issues the indictment.
Stating that as a result of an investigation Trump was found to be in violation of whatever legal code is not an indictment, it is the result of an investigation.
It is exactly what Starr did regarding Clinton and his various crimes. The DOJ policy had nothing to do with it.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
And, of course, even if someone is arrested they must first have their arraignment hearing before they are indicted (typically at the same time).
The Reverend Bob
Fart Machine and Beastmaster
If Mueller said "I accuse Trump of X, because I have evidence he did X", that is an accusation. And there is a process in which you make an accusation. What is it called again?
The Reverend Bob
Fart Machine and Beastmaster
It's an accusation
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
That's possible, of course, but the nation and Capital Hill were gunning for him. It's not likely he would have made it out without being removed.
shmogie
Well-Known Member
That was why he was hired, to identify crimes and those who committed them.
A process to make an accusation ? Like the democrats have been doing ror over two years ?
And of course, as it turns out (as it always turns out) this is just another Trump lie. But who cares if POTUS is a liar? Near as I can tell, most people like being lied to, if the lie answers their own prejudice.
It's about power, not honour. Always was.
Epic Beard Man
Bearded Philosopher
But I think when you're on social media making important decisions as opposed to actually speaking with everyone it's a problem. Not everyone is on social media, so when he makes brash judgments on social media and the rest of the country is unaware until the media gets a hold of the comments it's almost like "what the hell?" Look at the situation with Iran. why is Trump saber rattling on twitter?