Mueller indicts 13 Russian nationals over 2016 election interference

[YmirGF]

That we will probably never know unless some red flags come up. Mueller's investigation appears to be a pretty wide net, and maybe something about her and her staff might appear for all we know. Either way, I ain't assumin' nuttin.

I know, right.

What I am wondering is... Ok, Mueller has issued these indictment of Russian foreign nationals. Got it. Doesn't the Justice Department now have to petition the Russian government to extradite them? I'd say there is a pretty fat chance of the Russians agreeing to such a request.

 

[fantome profane]

I know, right.

What I am wondering is... Ok, Mueller has issued these indictment of Russian foreign nationals. Got it. Doesn't the Justice Department now have to petition the Russian government to extradite them? I'd say there is a pretty fat chance of the Russians agreeing to such a request.

No, that is not going to happen. But if any of these individuals leave Russia and travel to a country that has an extradition treaty with the US they could be arrested. That might not mean anything to some of them and it might bother some of them.

But at least this has been documented in a official legal way, with solid evidence on the record for anyone to see.

 

[YmirGF]

@fantome profane
Come again? (I even checked to see if you had written in white text. LOL.)

 

[fantome profane]

@fantome profane
Come again? (I even checked to see if you had written in white text. LOL.)

Look again, my message will appear to you like magic.

 

[tytlyf]

I follow what the evidence shows not what someone says.

So the people already nabbed in the Trump campaign were innocent? Not sure what evidence you think is missing. The only people denying evidence 24/7 are RW talking heads and Trump himself.
The FBI doesn't just start investigations without evidence. Carry on.

 

[tytlyf]

I remember so many were certain of that with Hillary. Such an attitude can easily cost the Dems more elections. For those who are a part of a minority group, this is bad news. The Dems and Liberals so very sorely need to extinguish their overconfidence. And, too be fair, the Republicans also need to do this to oust Trump and the "Bannonites."

Every single outlet had Hillary winning. Every poll. RW polls even. Trump barely won, and that's because enough people believed conspiracy theories and propaganda. You're telling me not a single person "on the fence" in battleground states wasn't swayed by fake news?

Fox likes fake news, every election they scare their viewership in the same way the russians did to influence democracy. Why else would someone in the middle class vote republican if it weren't for voting against the democratic party?

I hear conservatives all the time repeat the same things, repeating conspiracy theories and falsehoods. It's like they don't care about the truth.

 

[YmirGF]

Look again, my message will appear to you like magic.

OMG! It's a miracle!

 

[Falvlun]

I'll wait for the special council to finish before casting judgement on Trump, Hillary, and the rest. I don't want to look the fool by speculations, or having to go back and eat my words.

Todays news is not that serious to me. It looks as though some Russians attempted to "sow discord". And many have fallen into that trap, including the MSM.

I am patient, and wait for facts over speculations.

The fact that was further established with these indictments was that the Russians did indeed wage a campaign to influence our election in favor of Donald Trump, our current president.

This isn’t speculation. This is what happened. This was the conclusion of our FBI, CIA, NSA, and now the special investigator Mueller.

 

[idav]

Yes, 13 people overstay some visas and order sandwiches. They commit wire fraud by using the internet with fake account names, and whatever. Consider this the dummy of the year award for Mueller, the official, "I've got jack on Trump." This is simply these losers trying to save their jobs after spending a year and a half jerking around.

I'm loving this... really am...

Some of you all just miss the point of all of this which is to stop or hinder future corruption of our democracy. It has nothing to do with who won it’s the principle of the matter. Why do some of you not see that? Trump won that’s it, but that doesn’t mean we just let political meddling happen form foreign adversaries. This is a non partisan issue and matters little if Trump was directly involved. Though it would be a more juicy story if Trump was that’s not really the point, it is not a witch hunt, that’s Trumps fake news.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Every single outlet had Hillary winning. Every poll. RW polls even. Trump barely won, and that's because enough people believed conspiracy theories and propaganda. You're telling me not a single person "on the fence" in battleground states wasn't swayed by fake news?

I'm telling you everyone was so certain she would win that they refused to see the possibility of her losing, and like legions of Republicans they too doubted Trump and it cost them. From the Republican primaries on, doubting Trump is what pushed him through, even when a number on the Left and Right began to realize the fault in doubting him and sounded the alarm to deaf ears that if people continued to doubt him he would keep going further and further.

I hear conservatives all the time repeat the same things, repeating conspiracy theories and falsehoods. It's like they don't care about the truth.

Yeah. And a chunk of Liberals go on about the "dangers of GMOs," believe there are advantages to going all "organic," believe Palin said she can see Russia from her home, and have circulated misquotes and quotes taken out of context.

 

[Falvlun]

LoLz

From your article:

"The defendants allegedly conducted what they called information warfare against the United States, with the stated goal of spreading distrust towards the candidates and the political system in general," Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein said.

Mueller just announced Trumps innocence of collusion basically.

"In a statement, the White House said Trump was fully briefed on the indictment and "is glad to see the Special Counsel's investigation further indicates— that there was NO COLLUSION between the Trump campaign and Russia and that the outcome of the election was not changed or affected."

And I agree, all this does is clear Trump of any collusion.

So, you didn’t actually bother to read the indictments.

I am providing them to you HERE.

The Russians efforts were clearly directed at promoting Trump and disparaging Clinton; all of the evidence provided demonstrates this.

“...Defendants’ operations included supporting the presidential campaign of then-candidate Donald J. Trump (“Trump Campaign”) and disparaging Hillary Clinton.”

Excerpts from page 17:

“43. By 2016, Defendants and their co-conspirators used their fictitious online personas to interfere with the 2016 U.S. presidential election. They engaged in operations primarily intended to communicate derogatory information about Hillary Clinton, to denigrate other candidates such as Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio, and to support Bernie Sanders and then-candidate Donald Trump.”

44.used election-related hashtags, including: “#Trump2016,” “#TrumpTrain,” “#MAGA,” “#IWontProtectHillary,” and “#Hillary4Prison.” Defendants and their co-conspirators also established additional online social media accounts dedicated to the 2016 U.S. presidential election, including the Twitter account “March for Trump” and Facebook accounts “Clinton FRAUDation” and “Trumpsters United.”

45. Defendants and their co-conspirators also used false U.S. personas to communicate with unwitting members, volunteers, and supporters of the Trump Campaign...”

As for clearing Trump or his campaign of collusion, that hasn’t happened yet. Nor have they been charged. The investigation is not yet closed and that question hasn’t been addressed yet, at least not publically.

Personally, I see these indictments as setting the stage, establishing Russia’s involvement. It should be impossible for anyone to now claim that Russia didn’t interfere in our election with the express directive to promote Trump.

 

[idav]

I'm telling you everyone was so certain she would win that they refused to see the possibility of her losing,

Not everyone I could see it ten miles away. Two percent margin for error on all state polling is enough to swing any candidate when we have a 49 to 51 percent presidential votes year after year. Besides all that which states specifically polled wrong, they were al pretty dead on plus or minus two percent like I said. Take Florida for example, I will say that a one percent win didn’t look promising in the polls especially in that state. What did happen that was very interesting is how much Texas didn’t vote for Trump but not at all surprising they stayed red. There is a reason that, even though trump won the electorate it is the biggest popular vote difference in history while a candidate still lost the electorate.

 

[Falvlun]

Coincidences do happen, just like when Seth Rich, the one guy that could have confirmed the released Hillary E-mails were from a leak within the DNC and not Russian hacking ended up getting killed outside of a bar.

This is literally fake news. As in the original meaning of fake news: a story that was completely made up, not just some political story that someone doesn’t like.

It was a sick attempt to capitalize on a young man’s death to promote yet another fake “Hilary is the devil” conspiracy theory.

Fox News was the only outlet that ran with it and they retracted it.

Stop peddling lies.

 

[Phantasman]

The fact that was further established with these indictments was that the Russians did indeed wage a campaign to influence our election in favor of Donald Trump, our current president.

This isn’t speculation. This is what happened. This was the conclusion of our FBI, CIA, NSA, and now the special investigator Mueller.

They also arranged the "Trump is not my President" movement in front of Trump Tower. Maybe you are not understanding the words "sowing discord". It wasn't just Trump, but 3 other presidential candidates as well.

It wasn't in favor of anyone. Just discord, ala George Soros style.

 

[Enoch07]

So, you didn’t actually bother to read the indictments.

Apparently you didn't. See below.

They engaged in operations primarily intended to communicate derogatory information about Hillary Clinton, to denigrate other candidates such as Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio, and to support Bernie Sanders and then-candidate Donald Trump.”

So is Bernie in on the Russian collusion with Trump as well then? If them supporting Trump was apart of the collusion then them supporting Bernie means the same.

 

[Enoch07]

But there has been enough turned up to warrant the continuing of the investigation. Nothing has been turned up to charge Trump as of now, true, but the ultimate conclusion of this investigation remains to be discovered and seen.

If there was evidence Trump would be in jail already, or at the very least impeached.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

If there was evidence Trump would be in jail already, or at the very least impeached.

Or it's there but hasn't been found yet. It took several months for these companies and individuals to be found out, so why should we assume everything should be said and done by now? Mueller probably wouldn't have taken Enron down if he had such an attitude because their crimes required some very deep digging to unearth.

 

[Enoch07]

Or it's there but hasn't been found yet. It took several months for these companies and individuals to be found out, so why should we assume everything should be said and done by now? Mueller probably wouldn't have taken Enron down if he had such an attitude because their crimes required some very deep digging to unearth.

I know but you said: "there has been enough evidence to warrant further investigation". Sounds like confirmation bias to me. But we shall wait and see.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I know but you said: "there has been enough evidence to warrant further investigation". Sounds like confirmation bias to me. But we shall wait and see.

It's not a confirmation bias when numerous people over these past several months have been indicted and there have been at least two plea bargains. If there was no reason or evidence or suspicion to continue, I would have said "there has been enough evidence to warrant further investigation." The evidence is literally right in front of you a few pages back, and on other threads, and the fact the investigation continues.

 

[Enoch07]

The evidence is literally right in front of you a few pages back, and on other threads, and the fact the investigation continues.

There is evidence Russia tried to meddle with the election. No evidence so far linking Trump to it.