outhouse
Atheistically
Do what I tell you and I wont murder you !!!
How is that peaceful?
Yeesh I hate to see what you call violent!
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Muhammads life at Mecca was model of a peaceful person
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Do what I tell you and I wont murder you !!!
How is that peaceful?
Yeesh I hate to see what you call violent!
Sabour
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Do what I tell you and I wont murder you !!!
How is that peaceful?
Yeesh I hate to see what you call violent!
That is ugly, and Islam has nothing to do with it.
outhouse
Atheistically
muhammad gave people a choice in mecca did he not?
Do what I say or I will murder you !
How is that peaceful?
outhouse
Atheistically
so was muhammads actions
Sabour
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Outhouse
Stop replying to me in all the threads.
You have no idea about what you write.
I will never debate you because you go on labeling credible whatever suits you and label not credible whatever is against you. You think you have all of it covered. No one knows everything my friend.
Before you open your mouth or write about the prophet's actions, go read from an Islamic source first, even if not from Islamic source, read a book called "the first muslim".
Don't go on putting your claims which are far from the truth.
Say convert or you are killed ? That can't get any further from the truth.
Stop replying to me in all the threads.
You have no idea about what you write.
I will never debate you because you go on labeling credible whatever suits you and label not credible whatever is against you. You think you have all of it covered. No one knows everything my friend.
Before you open your mouth or write about the prophet's actions, go read from an Islamic source first, even if not from Islamic source, read a book called "the first muslim".
Don't go on putting your claims which are far from the truth.
Say convert or you are killed ? That can't get any further from the truth.
outhouse
Atheistically
You have no credibility at all when history is the subject.
Muhammad - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Muhammad sent a message to Mecca with three conditions, asking them to accept one of them. These were: either the Meccans would pay blood money for the slain among the Khuza'ah tribe, they disavow themselves of the Banu Bakr, or they should declare the truce of Hudaybiyyah null
pay blood money is peaceful?
In 630, Muhammad marched on Mecca with an enormous force, said to number more than 10,000 men.
peaceful??
Muhammad organized an attack against northern Arabia
peaceful??
"Even he Who enters the house of Abu Sufyan will be safe, He who lays down arms will be safe, He who locks his door will be safe".
You wont be safe if you don't follow my rules
Is that peaceful? it is a threat
Sabour
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You are providing statements without any context.
Bet this way fighting Hitler is not peaceful too. Fighting Hitler was evil.
do your self a favor and look at the whole context.
Watch Series "Omar" with English subtitles.
Throw away your misconceptions and try figuring things out.
You are having 0.001 % of the story and not all are true.
I have nothing to gain from me writing this, I am just giving an advice.
Again, I am not debating you. Please stop pushing it.
Bet this way fighting Hitler is not peaceful too. Fighting Hitler was evil.
do your self a favor and look at the whole context.
Watch Series "Omar" with English subtitles.
Throw away your misconceptions and try figuring things out.
You are having 0.001 % of the story and not all are true.
I have nothing to gain from me writing this, I am just giving an advice.
Again, I am not debating you. Please stop pushing it.
outhouse
Atheistically
Dude! no one stated or believes any fighting is peaceful. NO fighting is peaceful.
That is your methodology, and there is no logic or reason in yours statement above.
outhouse
Atheistically
Then quit arguing fighting is peaceful.
Even unbiased documentaries claim the religion was spread by the sword.
Because it was, muhammad was a warrior.
paarsurrey
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paarsurrey
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paarsurrey
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Muhammads life at Mecca was model of a peaceful person
Arabia at the Time of the Prophet's Birth
Of the amenities of civilized life, the Arabs knew
nothing. Their chief occupation was trade, and to this
end they sent their caravans to far-off places, such as Abyssinia, Syria, Palestine and even India. The rich
among them were great admirers of Indian swords. Their
clothing needs were supplied largely by Yemen and
Syria. The trading centres were the towns. The rest of
Arabia, excepting Yemen and some northern parts, was
Bedouin. There were no permanent settlements, or
places of habitation. The tribes had divided the country
between them so that members of a tribe wandered
about freely in their part of the country. When the water
supply in any place was exhausted, they would move on
to some other place and settle down. Their capital
consisted of sheep, goats and camels. From the wool
they made cloth, and from the skins they made tents.
What was left over they sold in the market. Gold and
silver were not unknown, but they were certainly very
rare possessions. The poor and the common folks made
ornaments of cowries and sweet-smelling substances.
Seeds of melons were cleaned, dried and strung together
to make necklaces. Crime and immoralities of various
kinds were rampant. Theft was rare but dacoity was
common. To attack and to dispossess one another was
regarded a birthright.
Page: 3
http://www.alislam.org/library/books/Life-of-Muhammad.pdf
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Arabia at the Time of the Prophet's Birth
Of the amenities of civilized life, the Arabs knew
nothing. Their chief occupation was trade, and to this
end they sent their caravans to far-off places, such as Abyssinia, Syria, Palestine and even India. The rich
among them were great admirers of Indian swords. Their
clothing needs were supplied largely by Yemen and
Syria. The trading centres were the towns. The rest of
Arabia, excepting Yemen and some northern parts, was
Bedouin. There were no permanent settlements, or
places of habitation. The tribes had divided the country
between them so that members of a tribe wandered
about freely in their part of the country. When the water
supply in any place was exhausted, they would move on
to some other place and settle down. Their capital
consisted of sheep, goats and camels. From the wool
they made cloth, and from the skins they made tents.
What was left over they sold in the market. Gold and
silver were not unknown, but they were certainly very
rare possessions. The poor and the common folks made
ornaments of cowries and sweet-smelling substances.
Seeds of melons were cleaned, dried and strung together
to make necklaces. Crime and immoralities of various
kinds were rampant. Theft was rare but dacoity was
common. To attack and to dispossess one another was
regarded a birthright.
Page: 3
http://www.alislam.org/library/books/Life-of-Muhammad.pdf
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outhouse
Atheistically
outhouse
Atheistically
Prove it.
I know he could plagiarize the bible, prophet is unsubstantiated.
he was a warrior
paarsurrey
Veteran Member
Muhammads life at Mecca was model of a peaceful person
Arabia at the Time of the Prophet's Birth
But, at the same time, they
honoured their word more than any other people.
Should an individual go to a powerful leader or tribe and
ask for protection, that leader or tribe was honourbound
to protect that individual. If this was not done,
the tribe lost caste throughout Arabia. Poets
commanded great prestige. They were honoured as
national leaders. Leaders were expected to possess great
powers of speech and even to be able to compose verse.
Hospitality had developed into a national virtue. A
forlorn traveller on arrival at the headquarters of a tribe
would be treated as an honoured guest. The best
animals would be slaughtered for him and the utmost
consideration shown. They did not care who the visitor
was. It was enough that a visitor had arrived. The visit
meant an increase of status and prestige for the tribe. It
became the tribe's duty, therefore, to honour the visitor.
By honouring him it honoured itself.
Woman in this
Arab society had no status and no rights. Among them it
was thought honourable to put baby girls to death. It is
a mistake, however, to think that infanticide was
practised on a country-wide scale. Such a dangerous
institution could not flourish throughout a country.
That would have meant the extinction of the race.
The truth is that in Arabiaor for that matter in India or
any other country where infanticide has ever existed, it
has been confined only to certain families. The Arab
families who practised it either had an exaggerated
notion of their social status or they were constrained in
other ways.
Possibly they were unable to find suitable
young men for their daughters to marry; knowing this,
they put to death their baby girls. The evil of this
institution lies in its savageness and its cruelty, not in
the results which it has in terms of a nation's
population. Different methods were used for killing baby
girls, among them burying alive and strangulation.
Page: 3,4
http://www.alislam.org/library/books...f-Muhammad.pdf
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Arabia at the Time of the Prophet's Birth
But, at the same time, they
honoured their word more than any other people.
Should an individual go to a powerful leader or tribe and
ask for protection, that leader or tribe was honourbound
to protect that individual. If this was not done,
the tribe lost caste throughout Arabia. Poets
commanded great prestige. They were honoured as
national leaders. Leaders were expected to possess great
powers of speech and even to be able to compose verse.
Hospitality had developed into a national virtue. A
forlorn traveller on arrival at the headquarters of a tribe
would be treated as an honoured guest. The best
animals would be slaughtered for him and the utmost
consideration shown. They did not care who the visitor
was. It was enough that a visitor had arrived. The visit
meant an increase of status and prestige for the tribe. It
became the tribe's duty, therefore, to honour the visitor.
By honouring him it honoured itself.
Woman in this
Arab society had no status and no rights. Among them it
was thought honourable to put baby girls to death. It is
a mistake, however, to think that infanticide was
practised on a country-wide scale. Such a dangerous
institution could not flourish throughout a country.
That would have meant the extinction of the race.
The truth is that in Arabiaor for that matter in India or
any other country where infanticide has ever existed, it
has been confined only to certain families. The Arab
families who practised it either had an exaggerated
notion of their social status or they were constrained in
other ways.
Possibly they were unable to find suitable
young men for their daughters to marry; knowing this,
they put to death their baby girls. The evil of this
institution lies in its savageness and its cruelty, not in
the results which it has in terms of a nation's
population. Different methods were used for killing baby
girls, among them burying alive and strangulation.
Page: 3,4
http://www.alislam.org/library/books...f-Muhammad.pdf
Regards
paarsurrey
Veteran Member
I think let us examine/study the verse 9:25 with the verses in the context:
Please read verses [9:12] to [9:29]; I have to leave out many verses as it will become too lengthy but the verses are all well-connected and cannot be separated for a clear understanding:
[9:12] And if they break their oaths after their covenant, and attack your religion, then fightthese leaders of disbelief surely, they have no regard for their oaths that they may desist.
[9:13] Will you not fight a people who have broken their oaths, and who plotted to turn out the Messenger, and they were the first to commence hostilities against you? Do you fear them? Nay, Allah is most worthy that you should fear Him, if you are believers.
[9:14] Fight them, that Allah may punish them at your hands, and humiliate them, and help you to victory over them, and relieve the minds of a people who believe;
[9:20] Those who believe and emigrate from their homes for the sake of God and strive in the cause of Allah with their property and their persons have the highest rank in the sight of Allah. And it is they who shall triumph.
[9:23] O ye who believe! take not your fathers and your brothers for friends, if they prefer disbelief to faith. And whoso befriends them from among you, it is they that are wrongdoers.
[9:24] Say, if your fathers, and your sons, and your brethren, and your wives, and your kinsfolk, and the wealth you have acquired, and the trade whose dullness you fear, and the dwellings which you love are dearer to you than Allah and His Messenger and striving in His cause, then wait until Allah comes with His judgment; and Allah guides not the disobedient people.
[9:25] Surely, Allah had helped you on many a battlefield, and on the Day of Hunain, when your great numbers made you proud, but they availed you nought; and the earth, with allits vastness, became straitened for you, and then you turned your backs retreating.
[9:26] Then Allah sent down His peace upon His Messenger and upon the believers, and He sent down hosts which you did not see, and He punished those who disbelieved. And this is the reward of the disbelievers
[9:27] Then will Allah, after that, turn with compassion to whomsoever He pleases; and Allah is Most Forgiving, Merciful.
[9:28] O ye who believe! surely, the idolaters are unclean. So they shall not approach the Sacred Mosque after this year of theirs. And if you fear poverty, Allah will enrich you out of His bounty, if He pleases. Surely, Allah is All-Knowing, Wise.
[9:29] Fight those from among the People of the Book who believe not in Allah, nor in the Last Day, nor hold as unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have declared to be unlawful, nor follow the true religion, until they pay the tax with their own hand and acknowledge their subjection.
The Holy Quran Arabic text with Translation in English text and Search Engine - Al Islam Online
It is very clear that Quran discusses of the defensive warfare in the context. Please
Regards
That's what we agree on, and that's exactly what I meant. We have to analyze the context: that's what contextualize and decontextualize mean.
And by the way, if you have ever read my posts, I always underline that the Qur'an is full of passages talking about peace, divine justice, social and economic justice and so many other values.
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paarsurrey
Veteran Member
mahasn ebn sawresho
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I don't know of any justice talking
Did you mean justice for women
Or do you mean justice between human beings
If you mean justice among humans, Islam does not know justice
Do you know what does the concept of dhimmi in Islam
And also do you know the meaning of the tribute
Any justice talking
Do you know the difference between the husband and the right
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