Muhammad’s life at Mecca was model of a peaceful person

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

Muhammad in Mecca did not announce that the Messenger and also declared that the Prophet
Read all of meccan verses
Muhammad was a missionary and Nazir
Mohammed did not prove his Prophethood but in the shadow of swords Medina
Muhammad in Mecca did not announce something new
Each cottage tariffs were announced and the Arabs
That made it a cult Christian clergyman Christian knew Mohamed
The cousin Ibn Nawfal
Is pastor of a Christian
Most of the meccan verses copied or abolished in Medina
Muhammad without Medina does not exist

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

Made social
You make me laugh on this term
In any Islamic State of social justice undone
Are made between men and women
Come with me
Do you know that man has the right to divorce while the mirrors does not have this right
Do you know the meaning of apostasy
And how it is used in the Islamic courts
Have you heard about the mukhala'ah
And because the mukhala'ah
Because of the mukhala'ah that men have the right to divorce but women do not have this right, waive their rights to get a divorce
Have you been studying Islamic law applications
In matters of divorce

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

Oops in co No.81



The pastor of a Christian and correct is nasrany pastor because there is a difference between the two terms

 

[paarsurrey]

Muhammad’s life at Mecca was model of a peaceful person

Arabia at the Time of the Prophet's Birth

“Only the real mother was regarded as a mother in
Arab society. Step-mothers were not regarded as
mothers and there was no ban on a son's marrying his
step-mother on the death of his father. Polygamous
marriages were very common, and there was no limit to
the number of wives a man could take. More than one
sister could also be taken to wife by the same person at
one and the same time.

The worst treatment was meted out by combatant
sides to one another in war. Where hatred was strong,
they did not hesitate to split the bodies of the wounded,
take out parts and eat them in cannibal fashion. They
did not hesitate to mutilate the bodies of their enemies.
Cutting off the nose or ears, or plucking out an eye was
a common form of cruelty practised by them.

Slavery was widespread. Weak tribes were made slaves. The
slave had no accepted status. Every master did as he
liked with his slaves. No action could be taken against a
master who maltreated his slave. A master could murder
his slave without having to answer for it. If one master
murdered another's slave, even then the penalty was not
death. All that was required of him was to compensate
the aggrieved master suitably.

Women-slaves were used
to satisfy sexual desires. The children born of such
unions were also treated as slaves. Women-slaves who
became mothers remained slaves. In terms of civilization
and social advance the Arabs were a very backward
people. Kindness and consideration to one another were
unknown. Woman had the worst status possible. Still
the Arabs possessed some virtues. Individual bravery,
for instance, sometimes reached a very high level.”

Pages 4-5
http://www.alislam.org/library/books/Life-of-Muhammad.pdf

Regards

 

[gnostic]

Because it was, muhammad was a warrior.

Muhammad was a prophet

Sure he was.

A prophet and a warrior.

You think he he can't be both?

He was a warlord for the Muslims, as well as for Medina. He was also a political leader of political faction in Medina. In war, he was a warlord, general and strategist. He also was assassin-master; he may not have carry out assassination, but he was beyond ordering them or condoning them when they took place.

While he was in Mecca, wasn't he a trader and shepherd?

He was also slaver when he condone selling off women and children of the Banu Qurayza. And he was master, when he owned female slaves.

He was an son, orphan, husband, and father.

He wasn't merely a prophet.

Muslim's narrow-minded view of the prophet only demonstrated you only willing to push just one label on him, when he was many things in life.

 

[outhouse]

A prophet and a warrior.

He had blood on his hands

All warriors do.

Its admitted he was a warrior and responsible for rivers of blood.

 

[gnostic]

Then quit arguing fighting is peaceful.

Bet this way fighting Hitler is not peaceful too. Fighting Hitler was evil.

do your self a favor and look at the whole context.

Watch Series "Omar" with English subtitles.

Throw away your misconceptions and try figuring things out.

You are having 0.001 % of the story and not all are true.

I have nothing to gain from me writing this, I am just giving an advice.

Of course, fighting against Hitler, wasn't peaceful. Any form of fighting, are not peaceful.

And, attacking caravans weren't peaceful, nor was besieging the Banu Qurayza. Nor were either fought in self-defence.

Attacking is not the only non-peaceful action. Defending is also fighting, hence is not a peaceful action. Fighting in self-defence, is not "peaceful", because it is still fighting.

Retaliation is also not a peaceful action. Revenge is not peaceful action, and as I understand it, taking revenge is permissible in Islam. Another person (pastek) in another topic, seemed to can't grasp that revenge is not justice, and she seemed to think that stealing in revenge is not stealing, as what Muhammad did (raids on caravans).

Leading an army to fight battles, like a general, or leading raids on caravans like a warlord or brigand, are examples of not a peaceful prophet.

 

[YmirGF]

Of course, fighting against Hitler, wasn't peaceful. Any form of fighting, are not peaceful.

And, attacking caravans weren't peaceful, nor was besieging the Banu Qurayza. Nor were either fought in self-defence.

Attacking is not the only non-peaceful action. Defending is also fighting, is not a peaceful action. Fighting in self-defence, "peaceful", because it is still fighting.

Retaliation is also not a peaceful action. Revenge is not peaceful action, and as I understand it, taking revenge is permissible in Islam. Another person (pastek) in another topic, seemed to can't grasp that revenge is not justice, and she seemed to think that stealing in revenge is not stealing, as what Muhammad did (raids on caravans).

Leading an army to fight battles, like a general, or leading raids on caravans like a warlord or brigand, are examples of not a peaceful prophet.

What is so weird, Storyteller, is that all we know about Muhammad was told to us by his fanatical followers. There are no real non-Muslim sources to draw on (that I am aware of). The thing is, we know all this unsavory stuff, because Muslims never saw anything wrong with it. The apologetics didn't even seriously begin until the 1960's... give or take... as Muslims were forced to deal with modernity.

 

[gnostic]

What is so weird, Storyteller, is that all we know about Muhammad was told to us by his fanatical followers. There are no real non-Muslim sources to draw on (that I am aware of). The thing is, we know all this unsavory stuff, because Muslims never saw anything wrong with it.

Precisely the same thing I have argued about in older threads.

The sources about Muhammad, whether they have been historical, biographical, legendary or traditions, have always being Muslim sources, and yet they often argue against it because they are trying to fit Muhammad and Islam in the modern world, and in modern context.

Take slavery for instance. Nothing in the Qur'an or in Islam, or when Muhammad was alive, even remotely suggest this religion condemn slavery. And yet some Muslims here have claim that slavery weren't condoned or that they practiced different type of slavery, while ignoring that Muhammad was responsible for enslaving the Qurayza women and children.

Slavery was legally practiced in Saudi Arabia, as late as the 1960s, and was only made it illegal because of international pressures.

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

All the sources that speak about Mohammad and the life of Muhammad is a Muslim wrote
And was TRADED between scholars them
This is considered the best source of
And cannot be challenged for the following reasons
1.
The Arabs were nomads
And there are no LOW CALORIE vegetable e
Events in Mecca
2. not caring about anybody in that era because it was an internal tribal conflicts and events
3. Mohammad DIN Mohammad did not spread beyond the Arab parts only after Muhammad's death
4. the spread of Islam to these reasons it has been speedily periods in the Persian and Roman Empires known as
5. all Muslim books about Muhammad and Muhammad's life and deeds of Muhammad is to explain and detail to the Quran 6.
6. claim not true conversations and stories is a modern TREND called alkranion
7. the biography cannot be challenged because it explains the verses of the Qur'an
The biography is a direct link with the verses of the Koran 8.
Field of study the Quran start with the reasons come down
Without understanding the reasons come down and walk the prophetic is not the original Islam
Abstract
It attempts to eliminate chatter Mohammedia
Failed attempt
Because the conversations are ranked fourth degree

1. the Quran to Muslims
2. causes of revelation
3. biography
4. Al conversations
1, 2 and 3
You can't separate them, because canceling any of them mean Islam or intellectually

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

Comparison between Hitler and Muhammad was in the interest of Hitler
1. Hitler was named a Messenger of God
2. Hitler did not marry an adopted daughter's husband
3. Hitler did not marry a girl
4. Hitler did not accept that they send him gifts from women
But Muhammad by Maria Coptic Egypt by a title and here is going on the Maria
Accept the gift of human sexual enjoyment
Dropped whole toor
5. Hitler had confused the name of God and between the wars
Hitler was the nationalist wars
6. Hitler did not declare that the loot must be divided between the combatants
Muhammad divided the booty among the fighters and Muslims
One of his wives is booty battle with Jews
There are plenty of comparison

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

Definition of hiraba
Both have fought God and his Prophet
His sentence of amputation of the hand and the foot opposite
Is it the law sanctions in the world knows this punishment and say the words
God
What kind of God this
Torture my body terribly
Do you think that the God of Islam is known as mercy in this verse
Just ask the Muslim ykraa

 

[paarsurrey]

Muhammad’s life at Mecca was model of a peaceful person

Arabia at the Time of the Prophet's Birth

It was among such people that the Holy Prophetsa of
Islam was born. His father ‘Abdullah had died before his
birth. Accordingly, he and his mother Amina had to be
looked after by the grandfather, ‘Abdul Muttalib. The
child Muhammad(sa) was suckled by a countrywoman
who lived in a place near Ta’if.

It was a custom in Arabia
in those days to hand over children to women in the
country, whose duty was to bring up the children, to
train their speech and to give them a good start in bodily
health. When the Prophet(sa) was in his first year,
his mother died while travelling from Medina to Mecca and
had to be buried en route.

The child was brought to
Mecca by a woman-servant and handed over to the
grandfather. When he was in his eighth year, his
grandfather also died, after which Abu Talib, his uncle,
became his guardian, this being the wish expressed in a
will by the grandfather.

The Prophet(sa) had two or three
opportunities to travel out of Arabia. One of these
occurred when at the age of twelve he went in the
company of Abu Talib to Syria. It seems that this
journey took him only to the south-eastern towns of Syria, for in historical references to this journey there is no mention of places like Jerusalem.
From now onwards until he grew up to young manhood he remained in
Mecca.

Pages 5-6
http://www.alislam.org/library/books...f-Muhammad.pdf

Regards

 

[paarsurrey]

A prophet and a warrior.

You think he he can't be both?

He was a warlord for the Muslims, as well as for Medina. He was also a political leader of political faction in Medina. In war, he was a warlord, general and strategist. He also was assassin-master; he may not have carry out assassination, but he was beyond ordering them or condoning them when they took place.

While he was in Mecca, wasn't he a trader and shepherd?

He was also slaver when he condone selling off women and children of the Banu Qurayza. And he was master, when he owned female slaves.

He was an son, orphan, husband, and father.

He wasn't merely a prophet.

Muslim's narrow-minded view of the prophet only demonstrated you only willing to push just one label on him, when he was many things in life.

I would comment on three points in the post.

1. While he was in Mecca, wasn't he a trader and shepherd?

He was temporarily attached to both.

2. He was an son, orphan, husband, and father.

Yes, he was.

3. He wasn't merely a prophet.

He was the greatest prophet; it is mentioned in Quran.

Regards

 

[paarsurrey]

He had blood on his hands

All warriors do.

Its admitted he was a warrior and responsible for rivers of blood.

Muhammad was never a warrior.
He was the prince of peace.

Regards

 

[paarsurrey]

He had blood on his hands

All warriors do.

Its admitted he was a warrior and responsible for rivers of blood.

It is your imagination. Muhammad never killed a person.

Regards

 

[gnostic]

Muhammad was never a warrior.
He was the prince of peace.

Paarsurrey, a "prince of peace" would not have group of warriors or army of warriors following him.

A "prince of peace" wouldn't lead brigands on raids of merchant caravans. And a "prince of peace" wouldn't besieged the Banu Qurayza and silently approving of beheadings of Qurayza men who didn't convert to Islam or sell their women and children to slavery.

A "prince of peace" wouldn't condone assassinations, which Muhammad did.

 

[ohhcuppycakee]

I would highly suggest people in this thread, both Muslim and non-Muslim, to read Islam by Karen Armstrong and Muhammad by Karen Armstrong.

 

[Shad]

Cook, Crone and Shoemaker have much better books not clouded by cultural relativism and political correctness

 

[paarsurrey]

A prophet and a warrior.

You think he he can't be both?

He was a warlord for the Muslims, as well as for Medina. He was also a political leader of political faction in Medina. In war, he was a warlord, general and strategist. He also was assassin-master; he may not have carry out assassination, but he was beyond ordering them or condoning them when they took place.

While he was in Mecca, wasn't he a trader and shepherd?

He was also slaver when he condone selling off women and children of the Banu Qurayza. And he was master, when he owned female slaves.

He was an son, orphan, husband, and father.

He wasn't merely a prophet.

Muslim's narrow-minded view of the prophet only demonstrated you only willing to push just one label on him, when he was many things in life.

One is remembered for the best status one has. Muhammad was the highest ranking prophet , the end time reformer Mirza Ghulam Ahmad is his follower.

Regards