Muhammad The Greatest: A comparative study

[Gharib]

i will repeat it.
If the decadent West is so bad why are people including Muslims comming here here to live and staying.
How many people emigrate from western democracies to Islamic states,i would hazard a guess at 0.

Bearing this in mind your answer does'nt make any sense

hope you do not mind if i chip in?

some reasons are because of wealth, i mean look at the americans they moved to the middle east to steal the oil, so we both can agree that wealth is one factor.

another reason is disputes with other people, if one family has a problem with another and they cannot face each other, they move to another country, and this move also makes them think about wealth so back to the first point.

 

[England my lionheart]

hope you do not mind if i chip in?

some reasons are because of wealth, i mean look at the americans they moved to the middle east to steal the oil, so we both can agree that wealth is one factor.

another reason is disputes with other people, if one family has a problem with another and they cannot face each other, they move to another country, and this move also makes them think about wealth so back to the first point.

Now that answer makes sense,wealth is an important factor.
Now why isn't there a flood of people trying to emigrate from here to any Islamic state,although there is poverty there,there is also wealth,Dubai,Saudi,Iran are wealthy in oil so why don't people want to go there

 

[Judgment]

eselam: my bad, the meaning of saying that was to reffer to the non muslims, you are a non muslim so i just used you, wasn't reffering to you though. i said "people such as your self" meaning non muslim.

Non Muslims are to be kept away from Islam ? They are not allowed to learn ?

eselam: not quite. you said we need to accept what others tell us otherwise we would be closed minded, so i am accepting that wich the scholars say therefore i am not closed minded.

No - I would never say that. You keep saying I said things that I never said. Please quote me when you accuse me of something.

eselam: i don't know, never done it before

And here is where the word (exactly) belongs.

eselam: you see this is the challenging part. this is where a muslim does not accept this unless we have been shown actuall proof, but that is just a tale to you so it's not worth it.

You have been shown 'proof' that black dogs are Satan ?

eselam: i'm not saying anything, you are putting the words in my mouth. so how could i have said anything?

Now you are just avoiding giving an answer. Of course you do not believe anything in the Quran to be uncivilized. If you did - you would be questioning the validity of the Quran.

eselam: exactly my point

You are the one that bragged about being wise - not me.

eselam: "yes true, the wise people are always low in numbers, just compare muslims to the rest of the world."

eselam: whats this? whats belated.

It means late - I saw your B'day was yesterday.

 

[Gharib]

Now that answer makes sense,wealth is an important factor.
Now why isn't there a flood of people trying to emigrate from here to any Islamic state,although there is poverty there,there is also wealth,Dubai,Saudi,Iran are wealthy in oil so why don't people want to go there

are you kidding me? there are heaps of non muslims in dubai, the arab emirates, saudi arabia, lebanon, etc, you name it it's there. this is true by the way, i'm not making it up.

 

[England my lionheart]

are you kidding me? there are heaps of non muslims in dubai, the arab emirates, saudi arabia, lebanon, etc, you name it it's there. this is true by the way, i'm not making it up.

I know someone who worked in Saudi and it is mostly for wealth and not for the culture,i would go for 6 grand a week even if it meant no Beer for a while.

 

[Gharib]

Non Muslims are to be kept away from Islam ? They are not allowed to learn ?

well if you do not like islam you will go against it (ie. make it look bad, add human material) not meaning you as in YOU but a non muslim.

No - I would never say that. You keep saying I said things that I never said. Please quote me when you accuse me of something.

YOU SAID "I knew what you were trying to say. I never said that I do not take in what others tell me - That would be an example of a closed mind." post #416

i'm not making up lies. so don't be thinking that, cas you have said it. thats the proof

You have been shown 'proof' that black dogs are Satan ?

there is an actuall story, but the devil had transformed into a lamb rather than a dog. it can take any form appart from that of the prophet (saws) it cannot copy his face.

Now you are just avoiding giving an answer. Of course you do not believe anything in the Quran to be uncivilized. If you did - you would be questioning the validity of the Quran.

i never do that. every little detail, every letter of the quran is up to date and it fits perfectly in modern times, it actually is the most modern law humanity will ever be able to live life by. satisfying?

You are the one that bragged about being wise - not me.

eselam: "yes true, the wise people are always low in numbers, just compare muslims to the rest of the world."

so know we have to quote each other everytime we say something? i though smart people were able to remember things (this is a joke, a funny thing, just incase you take it seriously)

It means late - I saw your B'day was yesterday.

my B'day, yesterday? yeah right? i thought we were going to stop being funny are we? and where abouts did you see it? can i see it too?

 

[Gharib]

I know someone who worked in Saudi and it is mostly for wealth and not for the culture,i would go for 6 grand a week even if it meant no Beer for a while.

so then we are equal, both are mixed, right? muslims go to non muslims and non muslims go to muslims

 

[Judgment]

eselam: i'm not making up lies. so don't be thinking that, cas you have said it. thats the proof

Please show me where I said you must 'accept' what others tell you ? What I said only means that I am able to 'listen' to what others say with an open mind. I then make a personal judgment on what was said.

eselam: there is an actuall story, but the devil had transformed into a lamb rather than a dog. it can take any form appart from that of the prophet (saws) it cannot copy his face.

So.. because of this story - black dogs are satan and should be killed ? You are saying any form that is black is evil (except the prophet) - including Human beings ?

eselam: i never do that. every little detail, every letter of the quran is up to date and it fits perfectly in modern times, it actually is the most modern law humanity will ever be able to live life by. satisfying?

Now that is funny!

eselam: my B'day, yesterday? yeah right? i thought we were going to stop being funny are we? and where abouts did you see it? can i see it too?

My apologies... the name must have been similar to yours. In any case.. I was just trying to be nice. I won't make that mistake again with you.

 

[Gharib]

Please show me where I said you must 'accept' what others tell you ? What I said only means that I am able to 'listen' to what others say with an open mind. I then make a personal judgment on what was said.

thats not what you said the first time, and not what you meant anyway. you can't change history.

So.. because of this story - black dogs are satan and should be killed ?

not because of that story but others, thats just one that i can remember.

You are saying any form that is black is evil (except the prophet) - including Human beings ?

see you are putting words into my mouth again. let me ask you a question; are humans animals to you in any way. i mean just look at the names "human" and "animal", any similarities, appart from the 3 letters?

Now that is funny!

it's not sopposed to be funny? are you saying that i am a better comedian when i'm serious?

My apologies... the name must have been similar to yours. In any case.. I was just trying to be nice. I won't make that mistake again with you.

thank you for your kindness gesture, (i think i should have thanked you in the first post for it) but i haven't given my B'day to RF, no one knows it.

 

[England my lionheart]

so then we are equal, both are mixed, right? muslims go to non muslims and non muslims go to muslims

People who work in Saudi etc do not stay,its purley for the tax free pay

 

[England my lionheart]

besides this is way off topic

 

[YmirGF]

see you are putting words into my mouth again. let me ask you a question; are humans animals to you in any way. i mean just look at the names "human" and "animal", any similarities, appart from the 3 letters?

Both humans and animals are mammals. In recent years I have begun to use the term "human animal" because it is my belief that in our arrogance, people have begun to ignore the fact that we are creatures of the Earth and in fact, just another delightful species of the animal kingdom. As one human animal to another, I salute you.

 

[Judgment]

eselam: thats not what you said the first time, and not what you meant anyway. you can't change history.

What I meant is that I am able to listen to other opinions with an open mind. I am a slave to no one. I would never say - as you have said - that I am not allowed to think for myself .

You:"well muslims aren't allowed to "think" for themseves,"

eselam: not because of that story but others, thats just one that i can remember.

So these stories are the only proof you need that black dogs are evil and should be killed ?

eselam: see you are putting words into my mouth again. let me ask you a question; are humans animals to you in any way. i mean just look at the names "human" and "animal", any similarities, appart from the 3 letters?

You said...

eselam: many scholars beleive that when the devil takes a earthly form (ie of an animal) he only turns into a black colour and no other colour. so yes in the islamic world a creature that is ALL BLACK with no other colour is a devil and scholars say that it needs to be killed, linking back to the prophets hadith.

Which would speak of animals only. But.. then you said..

eselam:there is an actuall story, but the devil had transformed into a lamb rather than a dog. it can take any form appart from that of the prophet (saws) it cannot copy his face.

Any form 'except' that of the prophet - Satan could not copy his face. You mentioned a man here. If you were not speaking of human beings I do not know why you would mention one. If you misspoke.... so be it.

eselam: thank you for your kindness gesture, (i think i should have thanked you in the first post for it) but i haven't given my B'day to RF, no one knows it.

Welcome Brother - sorry for the mix up.

 

[Imagist]

Response: The simple fact that none of these immoral actions are in the qur'an nor can you provide any evidence that it is is evidence enough.

I have already asked this question and I will ask until you provide an answer:

Why do you think that the Quran is more accurate than the Hadiths?

 

[Imagist]

Response: The qur'an is the word of Allah. The other ancient texts are not. It is Allah who has promised the qur'an and it's message to be free from any discrepancy and from being tampered. That is not the case for other ancient texts.

I see claims. Do you have evidence that the Quran is the world of Allah?

Furthermore, what in the Quran contradicts the allegations against Muhammed?

 

[Fatihah]

I have already asked this question and I will ask until you provide an answer:

Why do you think that the Quran is more accurate than the Hadiths?

Response: That question has already been answered. You can refer to post# 339 of page 34 for the answer.

 

[Fatihah]

i will repeat it.
If the decadent West is so bad why are people including Muslims comming here here to live and staying.
How many people emigrate from western democracies to Islamic states,i would hazard a guess at 0.

Bearing this in mind your answer does'nt make any sense

Response: I agree. My answer doesn't make sense to your question above. That's because the question above was not the question asked which brought up my answer in the first place.

 

[Fatihah]

I see claims. Do you have evidence that the Quran is the world of Allah?

Furthermore, what in the Quran contradicts the allegations against Muhammed?

Response: The qur'an says on many different occasions to do good deeds and in verse 33:21 Muhammad is to be the model of islam. Therefore any allegation in which Muhammad is not doing a good deed in the hadiths is a contridiction to the qur'an.

As for the proof that the qur'an is from Allah, I provide you with the following:

In ch.4:82 we read: "Will they not, then, meditate upon the qur'an? Had it been from anyone other than Allah, they would surely have found therein much discrepancy."

Also, in ch.2:23 of the qur'an we read "And if you are in doubt as to what we have sent down to Our servant, then produce a chapter like it, and call upon your helpers beside Allah, if you are truthful."

There you have it. Two challenges that prove that the qur'an is the authentic word of Allah. You disagree? Then answer the challenge. Find a disrepancy in the qur'an and produce a chapter like it.

 

[ProudMuslim]

I have already asked this question and I will ask until you provide an answer:

Why do you think that the Quran is more accurate than the Hadiths?

• Because Quran is the direct commands of Allah (SWT)
• Quran was written down during the Prophet's (PBUH) life
• Quran was collected by Khalifa Abu Baker (RAA), the companion of the Prophet (PBUH) and the leader of Muslims after his death
• Quran is preserved for over 1400 years, there is only one edition, written in one language without any catergory e.g. weak, strong, etc)

Overall the holy Qur'an was preserved from any human error and/or alteration.

That's why non-Muslims will always choose "Hadiths" (fabricated ones) to attack Islam and never the Qur'an because they cannot find anything to refute in its content.

Do you have evidence that the Quran is the world of Allah?

Yes, the scientific miracles on top of its perfection in terms of providing a complete way of life that suits all times.

what in the Quran contradicts the allegations against Muhammed?

i think sister Fatihah gave the most concise and best answer to your question.

 

[ProudMuslim]

Now that answer makes sense,wealth is an important factor.
Now why isn't there a flood of people trying to emigrate from here to any Islamic state,although there is poverty there,there is also wealth,Dubai,Saudi,Iran are wealthy in oil so why don't people want to go there

Dubai is FULL with Westerners so is Qatar.

i will repeat it.
If the decadent West is so bad why are people including Muslims comming here here to live and staying.

Because of better opportunities. I have already mentioned before that the West has progressed alot in so many aspects. But if you think people are going to West because of their way of life, please tell me why do minorities -and this is well known- dont integrate with the locals and upholds local values dear?