Muhammads knowledge divine or learned?

[Shad]

Shad, you are trying to interpret the arabic through your english.
Barazakh: is always used in the context of connecting two things.
In medicine, we call the Isthmus, that connect the two lobe of the thyroid,Barazakh.

It still creates an internal contradict. It mixes but the barrier can not be transgress.

 

[Shad]

Response: No one said that a text with no error is from God, and the challenge itself even acknowledges this. Yet the challenge shows that every logical reason why a person would lie is NOT in the Qur'an. Something you can test and observe yourself, thus it is scientific. And every reason why someone would not lie IS in the Qur'an, which you can also test and observe yourself. Therefore, the author is truthful. So since you fail to find otherwise, then the author of the Qur'an is truthful.

As for the rest, the challenge is not to conquer large land, but for YOU YOURSELF to inspire enough followers to conquer and rule a nation, or even just the street you live on, by using human-made speech/literature that goes against the wants of a mass of people, as proof that such an act is humanly possible. So have you conquered and ruled a nation? NO. Have you conquered and ruled the street you live on? NO. Thus you've done absolutely nothing in answering the challenge and have been dodging it from the beginning. Thus your ducking and dodging to attempt the challenge once again confirms your denial to the fact that the Qur'an is the true word of Allah.

Yes but if texts from humans contain no errors the argument fails to prove a text from God.

I have no need to rule or conquer a nation. I provide examples of people accomplishing more in their life time than Muhammad did. So your argument fails

 

[Shad]

funny how non-believers often go after one of things that is very probable.
/not saying im a bible skeptic, but the 'flood' is a gimme./ there are numerous narratives, large boat, and other floods happen all the time.

Problem of induction. Just because floods happen in other places does not mean the this one flood happened. I could easily give examples of other floods in mythology. Using your argument these floods happened too. If these floods happened by the will of these other Gods these other Gods must also be real. Your logic is flawed.

 

[Shad]

Response: You claim he did not exist because you don't have something to say he did . Then according to your own logic, Abraham did exist since you have no historicity as to who made him up, when, how, and why. Thus supporting the fact the Qur'an is true and refuting yourself.

Its called the foundation charter myth of Judaism. This is from archaeology so there is evidence and an argument for the position outhouse is talking about,

 

[outhouse]

Problem of induction. Just because floods happen in other places does not mean the this one flood happened. I could easily give examples of other floods in mythology. Using your argument these floods happened too. If these floods happened by the will of these other Gods these other Gods must also be real. Your logic is flawed.

Yes there is no logic.

When people claim mythology is real, they are factually fundamentalist following fanaticism blindly.

 

[outhouse]

I would like to thank my muslim brothers for their examples of fanaticism.


I have not yet a muslim who does not use a literal interpretation.

 

[Al-Fatihah]

Its called the foundation charter myth of Judaism. This is from archaeology so there is evidence and an argument for the position outhouse is talking about,

Response: And even a myth has an origin, yet there is no archaeological evidence as to who made him up, how, where, when, and why. So there is no logical evidence or argument for what outhouse is talking about.

 

[Shad]

Actually there is, the Hebrews are Canaanites and were a splinter group. There is no evidence for any of the early parts of the Bible, no evidence of exodus, no evidence of Hebrews in Egypt, no evidence of anything earlier. Everything before the emergence of the Hebrews from the local Canaanite cultures has been dismissed as myth. There is no theory of a per-emergence Exodus anymore, it is a dead theory with no evidence. The evidence of this story emerging without any evidence supporting it is in fact evidence it is a myth.

 

[Britedream]

It still creates an internal contradict. It mixes but the barrier can not be transgress.

The problem is that the Arabic word is not barrier, it is the understanig that made it to be barrier, There are no internal contradiction, you picked up the meaning that serve your purpose. if both verses are translated the barazakh to be a barrier, and it is done, then the context of the word is the same, in considering the barazakh to be a barrier.
So you have to say that the Barazakh in the second verse does not mean a barrier, for you to make sense, but the translation does not agree with you on that.

Hence,you must agree with what the second verse has shown, the Barazakh is a barrier that connect through rules, or the barazakh is an entity for connecting two things in a certain way.

 

[outhouse]

Response: And even a myth has an origin,.

Factually, not all have historical origins. Some are literary creations. And that is what we see with Abraham.

The flood has a historical core, but it is factually 100% not what islam states it is. Every aspect in islam for the flood is factual mythology.


Its what happens when a warrior who steals love from 6 years olds and plagiarizes mythology.

 

[outhouse]

Actually there is, the Hebrews are Canaanites and were a splinter group. There is no evidence for any of the early parts of the Bible, no evidence of exodus, no evidence of Hebrews in Egypt, no evidence of anything earlier. Everything before the emergence of the Hebrews from the local Canaanite cultures has been dismissed as myth. There is no theory of a per-emergence Exodus anymore, it is a dead theory with no evidence. The evidence of this story emerging without any evidence supporting it is in fact evidence it is a myth.

It is stated as fact religious text are all not credible here, Israelites evolved from displaced Canaanites and other Semitic people.

It is not even disputed by anyone with credibility.



Not one credible historian in the whole world uses the Koran for any aspect of this time period. because it is not credible or truthful

 

[Al-Fatihah]

Factually, not all have historical origins. Some are literary creations. And that is what we see with Abraham.

The flood has a historical core, but it is factually 100% not what islam states it is. Every aspect in islam for the flood is factual mythology.


Its what happens when a warrior who steals love from 6 years olds and plagiarizes mythology.

Response: A literary creation is still historical since it happened in history. Yet you have no historical evidence for the origin of your alleged myth, thus refuting yourself.

Yet bogus claims like this is what happens when the delusion of atheism is the basis of an argument.

 

[Shad]

The text itself is historical, this does not mean the context or contents of the text are historical.

 

[outhouse]

Response: A literary creation is still historical since it happened in history..

You have no grasp of what I stated at all.

Literary creations are just that, they are things people make up, fiction, mythology, allegory, metaphor.

Saying someone wrote something down, and that makes it historical is not a answer that uses sanity. :areyoucra

 

[outhouse]

No flood happened as written

Abraham never existed.

moses never existed

exodus never happened

noah never happened

adam and eve never happened



yet you believe every word, that is called fanticism

 

[Al-Fatihah]

You have no grasp of what I stated at all.

Literary creations are just that, they are things people make up, fiction, mythology, allegory, metaphor.

Saying someone wrote something down, and that makes it historical is not a answer that uses sanity. :areyoucra

Response: And a literary creation is still history, since it is connected to a series of past events. So saying something is not history because it is a literary creation is not a sane response.

 

[Al-Fatihah]

No flood happened as written

Abraham never existed.

moses never existed

exodus never happened

noah never happened

adam and eve never happened



yet you believe every word, that is called fanticism

Response: Yet the Qur'an challenge proves otherwise, supported by your failure to answer it.

 

[outhouse]

Response: Yet the Qur'an challenge proves otherwise, supported by your failure to answer it.

the challenge that lies does not dictate history.


You can believe what ever garbage you want, but in reality, that is not how anything is determined.



It is however known as FANTICISM and thank you for your wonderful example.

 

[outhouse]

Response: And a literary creation is still history, since it is connected to a series of past events. So saying something is not history because it is a literary creation is not a sane response.

Can you show that connection?

No you cannot.

Your like a little allegorical dog, all bark and no bite. Do you have anything credible to talk about ?

 

[outhouse]

No flood happened as written

Abraham never existed.

moses never existed

exodus never happened

noah never happened

adam and eve never happened



yet you believe every word, that is called fanticism