Muhammed on South Park

[Revoltingest]

what do you mean? i shared those verses to show Muslims are not commanded to terrorize people.

Are these the verses supposed to make Islam look nice to us....with all the casting of terror
into the hearts of the Unbelievers.....my abode being the Fire.....casting terror
into the hearts of those who disbelieve....the habitation is the Fire.....etc?

All this talk of fire & terror doesn't make me feel any safer.

 

[.lava]

Are these the verses that make Islam look nice to us....with all the casting of terror into
the hearts of the Unbelievers.....my abode being the Fire.....casting terror into
the hearts of those who disbelieve....the habitation is the Fire.....etc?

To talk of casting terror into my heart doesn't make me feel any safer.

there is no room for me between another individual and God. also, i think i explained it enough about the word fear being translated as terror. besides, this is not what we are talking about. subject is death threads. i was trying to explain it is God who gives fear into hearts

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[Commoner]

there is no room for me between another individual and God. also, i think i explained it enough about the word fear being translated as terror. besides, this is not what we are talking about. subject is death threads. i was trying to explain it is God who gives fear into hearts

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So, does this mean Muslims cannot/may no follow in his example?

 

[Revoltingest]

there is no room for me between another individual and God. also, i think i explained it enough about the word fear being translated as terror. besides, this is not what we are talking about. subject is death threads. i was trying to explain it is God who gives fear into hearts.

I don't understand how that explains away these passages as peaceful & tolerant:

Originally Posted by .lava
003.151YUSUFALI: Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority: their abode will be the Fire: And evil is the home of the wrong-doers!
PICKTHAL: We shall cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve because they ascribe unto Allah partners, for which no warrant hath been revealed. Their habitation is the Fire, and hapless the abode of the wrong-doers.
SHAKIR: We will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve, because they set up with Allah that for which He has sent down no authority, and their abode is the fire, and evil is the abode of the unjust.

Who is the "we" who do the casting of terror into my heart & have me dwell in fire?

 

[.lava]

So, does this mean Muslims cannot/may no follow in his example?

God is not human. we are humans and there are Prophets, messengers and saints who's given as examples to follow. it is not going to be humans who throw people into hell. it is ridicules. we are as weak as any human being

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[Commoner]

God is not human. we are humans and there are Prophets, messengers and saints who's given as examples to follow. it is not going to be humans who throw people into hell. it is ridicules. we are as weak as any human being

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Sure, sure...

But, Allah says he will strike terror into the hearts of the unbelievers and do other really fun stuff with us, right? Well, why would it be illogical for a Muslim to do the same? If I were a Muslim, that's exactly what I would assume.

 

[.lava]

I don't understand how that explains away these passages as peaceful & tolerant:

Originally Posted by .lava
003.151YUSUFALI: Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority: their abode will be the Fire: And evil is the home of the wrong-doers!
PICKTHAL: We shall cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve because they ascribe unto Allah partners, for which no warrant hath been revealed. Their habitation is the Fire, and hapless the abode of the wrong-doers.
SHAKIR: We will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve, because they set up with Allah that for which He has sent down no authority, and their abode is the fire, and evil is the abode of the unjust.

Who is the "we" who do the casting of terror into my heart & have me dwell in fire?

religion and its practice on Earth is peaceful and tolerant if people follow commands of God but hell is not nice at all.
Qur'an very rarely use subject "I", most of the verses it uses "We". maybe because it was not God itself but it was its angel who carried the word so he could not say "I". i am just guessing though, i don't know for sure. so basically it is God

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[.lava]

Sure, sure...

But, Allah says he will strike terror into the hearts of the unbelievers and do other really fun stuff with us, right? Well, why would it be illogical for a Muslim to do the same? If I were a Muslim, that's exactly what I would assume.

then you'd be in shirk pretending to be God

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[Commoner]

then you'd be in shirk pretending to be God

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Well, I'm in deep do-do anyway, right? But who said anything about pretending to be god? I'm simply saying following his example - whether directly or through the Prophet. Nothing wrong with that, is there?

I've never heard anyone refer to that as shirk. Isn't it commanded of Muslims to follow in his example?

 

[Revoltingest]

religion and its practice on Earth is peaceful and tolerant if people follow commands of God but hell is not nice at all.
Qur'an very rarely use subject "I", most of the verses it uses "We". maybe because it was not God itself but it was its angel who carried the word so he could not say "I". i am just guessing though, i don't know for sure. so basically it is God.

So you don't know who "we" are, but only speculate that "we" means God. This seems a dangerous situation,
since a Muslim could easily read "we" as all Muslims. You are a peaceful person, but it's the angry element
who seek justification for violence who pose the danger. What is done to prevent their convenient interpretation?

 

[.lava]

Well, I'm in deep do-do anyway, right? But who said anything about pretending to be god? I'm simply saying following his example - whether directly or through the Prophet. Nothing wrong with that, is there?

I've never heard anyone refer to that as shirk. Isn't it commanded of Muslims to follow in his example?

only human could be example for human. God is not human. God knows it all we don't so, for example, how could we judge people? Prophets are servants of God. they are examples for human. let me give you an example for this;

there's this story about Lut SAW and his tribe. he warns them many times but they would not care and threaten him instead. then angels come along to Lut SAW an tell him those people would be destroyed. Lut SAW is one of those who's an example for us...

11:77 And when Our messengers came to Lut, he was grieved for them, and he lacked strength to protect them, and said: This is a hard day.

29:33 And when Our messengers came to Lut he was grieved on account of them, and he felt powerless (to protect) them; and they said: Fear not, nor grieve; surely we will deliver you and your followers, except your wife; she shall be of those who remain behind.

i hope it at least gives an insight and you decide yourself. if Prophets were examples for us, should we destroy sinners or should we offer humane emotions to them?

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[.lava]

So you don't know who "we" are, but only speculate that "we" means God. This seems a dangerous situation,
since a Muslim could easily read "we" as all Muslims.

hardly. Muslims believe Qur'an to be word of God, not human.

You are a peaceful person, but it's the angry element
who seek justification for violence who pose the danger. What is done to prevent their convenient interpretation?

yes, people try to justify their crime and it is not just religious who do that. it is nature of human ego. but noone could fool others as he fools himself

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[Revoltingest]

hardly. Muslims believe Qur'an to be word of God, not human.



yes, people try to justify their crime and it is not just religious who do that. it is nature of human ego. but noone could fool others as he fools himself

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I think it will take a while before I understand this. For now, it's nitey nite.

 

[rojse]

then some members of the Islamic community obviously had their free speech.

Threats and incitement to violence isn't covered by free speech.

 

[neves]

I read that their old episode of "Super Best Friends" is now taken off their own website and they won't allow streaming of it anymore.

wow... it been on there the whole time and after like 10 plus years, they decide to take it down now... I sure smell something... and it is not roses...

 

[Commoner]

only human could be example for human. God is not human. God knows it all we don't so, for example, how could we judge people? Prophets are servants of God. they are examples for human. let me give you an example for this;

there's this story about Lut SAW and his tribe. he warns them many times but they would not care and threaten him instead. then angels come along to Lut SAW an tell him those people would be destroyed. Lut SAW is one of those who's an example for us...

11:77 And when Our messengers came to Lut, he was grieved for them, and he lacked strength to protect them, and said: This is a hard day.

29:33 And when Our messengers came to Lut he was grieved on account of them, and he felt powerless (to protect) them; and they said: Fear not, nor grieve; surely we will deliver you and your followers, except your wife; she shall be of those who remain behind.

i hope it at least gives an insight and you decide yourself. if Prophets were examples for us, should we destroy sinners or should we offer humane emotions to them?

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Shall I give you other examples?

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YUSUFALI: O Prophet! rouse the Believers to the fight. If there are twenty amongst you, patient and persevering, they will vanquish two hundred: if a hundred, they will vanquish a thousand of the Unbelievers: for these are a people without understanding.
PICKTHAL: O Prophet! Exhort the believers to fight. If there be of you twenty steadfast they shall overcome two hundred, and if there be of you a hundred (steadfast) they shall overcome a thousand of those who disbelieve, because they (the disbelievers) are a folk without intelligence.
SHAKIR: O Prophet! urge the believers to war; if there are twenty patient ones of you they shall overcome two hundred, and if there are a hundred of you they shall overcome a thousand of those who disbelieve, because they are a people who do not understand.

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YUSUFALI: O ye who believe! fight the unbelievers who gird you about, and let them find firmness in you: and know that Allah is with those who fear Him.
PICKTHAL: O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him).
SHAKIR: O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness; and know that Allah is with those who guard (against evil).

You know? If you're looking for justification, I think it's pretty hard to miss. Anyway, I think we've gone off topic a bit.

 

[Luminous]

good story.
any reason why mocking what's divine for Muslims while there are wars going on in Muslim nations and Muslims are actually getting killed by mostly USA? any reason?

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because "Muslim" is not a nationality. its an opinion. trust me, only in your mind are they making fun of PEOPLE getting KILLED in reality. i dont think their ratings nor their concious would do very well with that kind of humor. btw: being a follower of Muhammuds espaused believes is mocking what's devine to Agnostics... Truth.

 

[Luminous]

hardly. Muslims believe Qur'an to be word of God, not human.



yes, people try to justify their crime and it is not just religious who do that. it is nature of human ego. but noone could fool others as he fools himself

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the Qur'an is an idol.

 

[shahzad010101]

weare all childern of Adam and there is only one religion that of God, Noah, david, solumn, josph,jesus ibrahim, jacob and muhammad(may peace be upon them all) taught the words of God, we have been fighting with each other becuse of the bloody politics and desire of money. Politicans and so called religious schlors have used humans as gunie pigs for their own intrest. we should try to understand each other , we are all brothers, make way for peace. All prophets are Respectable and should be respected, if we are in the 21st century and in a modren era it doesnot mean that we should laugh about anything , we should realize that we have to conserve our moral values as human

 

[Commoner]

weare all childern of Adam and there is only one religion that of God, Noah, david, solumn, josph,jesus ibrahim, jacob and muhammad(may peace be upon them all) taught the words of God, we have been fighting with each other becuse of the bloody politics and desire of money. Politicans and so called religious schlors have used humans as gunie pigs for their own intrest. we should try to understand each other , we are all brothers, make way for peace. All prophets are Respectable and should be respected, if we are in the 21st century and in a modren era it doesnot mean that we should laugh about anything , we should realize that we have to conserve our moral values as human

Your position offends me. Respect my beliefs and do not repeat it again!

...also, put some pants on!