Multiculturalism:Your Opinion

[Estro Felino]

I think you've gone off the rails a bit here. You made a comment about the roots of monolingualism in America. That's what I was replying to.

precisely. I was talking about American monolingualism. so I don't understand why you brought patriotism up.

 

[Alceste]

precisely. I was talking about American monolingualism. so I don't understand why you brought patriotism up.

Oh for God's sake. You said it was caused by intellectual laziness. I said it is caused by conflating ignorance with patriotism. Your refusal to either understand that comment or let it go is completely wrecking the delightful pithiness of it.

 

[Estro Felino]

Oh for God's sake. You said it was caused by intellectual laziness. I said it is caused by conflating ignorance with patriotism. Your refusal to either understand that comment or let it go is completely wrecking the delightful pithiness of it.

I fall on my knees and I apologize :sorry1::sorry1:
I humbly ask for forgiveness.
Yes I thought you were talking about me. Be patient...I always misunderstand people...even in my native language.
I think I lack logic and deductions.

 

[Alceste]

I fall on my knees and I apologize :sorry1::sorry1:
I humbly ask for forgiveness.
Yes I thought you were talking about me. Be patient...I always misunderstand people...even in my native language.
I think I lack logic and deductions.

All is forgiven.

 

[Estro Felino]

All is forgiven.

thanks. By the way I don't think it's patriotism.
It's just that learning all the nouns gender can be as boring as hell. I can understand that.

 

[Father Heathen]

As I said, we have laws that immigrants must follow regardless of their own values. In general, they tend to observe the laws, so their values are none of my concern.

Odd, I recall you being rather vocal about your disapproval regarding christian fundamentalist hyjinks on multiple occasions in the past. Why would the fundamentalist hyjinks of other religions get a pass?

 

[Alceste]

Odd, I recall you being rather vocal about your disapproval regarding christian fundamentalist hyjinks on multiple occasions in the past. Why would the fundamentalist hyjinks of other religions get a pass?

They don't. I don't know why you'd think they would. All efforts to inject religious belief into our secular institutions, like law and education, I reject. In my country those efforts are fairly minimal, but they nearly all come from Canadian-born Christian fundamentalists, so that's what I oppose.

 

[Sha'irullah]

My thing about culture is that people(Primarily Americans) forget that they actually have a culture. I hate seeing people get into the whole multicultural vibe and feel the need to be Indian and start wearing a dhoti like they own it.
I have seen so many white guys thinking they are Chinese and so many anime nerds thinking they were born in "Nihon". I see South Koreans adopting American language and wanting to be like us to the point they strip themselves of their culture. I have known very few Koreans who do not die their hair blonde for example. Many of them dislike speaking their native tongue as well while Chinese, Taiwanese and Japanese boast it.

When you have a multicultural society it does not mean your own culture is worthless it just means you can experience different cultures. I love many things foreign but I know I am not apart of that culture and do not fool myself into it.

People must realize that if your own culture sucks you just have to make it better, don't adopt another one. American culture has been shaped and molded by English, German, Italian, Greek(very noticeable) and Spanish cultures. We have our own unique culture because of this.
America did not surrender and adopted another culture, we developed it progressively. All cultures are form through progression. Be proud of this and learn from other cultures so you may ensure your own remains special and worthy of your appreciation

 

[Riverwolf]

Noun gender is worse in German as you have three way gender system as opposed to the Romance two. (Except Romanian, which has three) Not only that, but each gender has a different declension pattern for grammatical case. That's why there are sixteen possible forms of the definite article in German. (Granted there's overlap of forms across the different genders) And don't get me started on all the ways to form a plural. So not only do you need to memorise the gender, but also what ending each noun takes in the plural.

Chinese is pretty straightforward grammatically; it's no more complex than English. But the writing and tone system is a lot to overcome. Also there's counter words, which in some ways, can be considered as the asian language equivalent of noun gender.

French is not so bad. Like English, the writing system is conservative. Pronunciation is not the easiest either. Grammatically however, it's actually a pretty easy language to grasp and you get a nice vocabulary discount as an English speaker.

As far as Indo-European languages go, English has been very stripped down of its once deep morphological complexity. It's also among the richest languages as far as vocabulary goes. It is a great, flexible, relatively straightforward language. There's nothing distinctly bad or illogical about English. It's actually free of some of the seemly pointless aspects of other languages in the European family such as grammatical gender, adjectival agreement, case declension (except for the genitive 's and pronouns) verbs that take to be as an auxiliary in the past tense, and so on.

But I myself like grammar so it's not so bad for me.

I do need to get more experience with other languages. ^_^

English actually isn't 100% free of gendered nouns. We do have one: ships are gendered female.

But I thought using gendered particles in German was sort of optional?

 

[lewisnotmiller]

In fact I said it is a minority language.

That's true...but what I said is also true.
Just for clarity, you went with this...

This is an insult to the Italian language. Do these minority languages have a history, or a literature? They don't. They should be declassified to dialects, and be allowed in private life only.

And I responded with this...

Sardinian is a language, not a dialect of Italian.
How that fact is an insult to the Italian language is beyond me.

My point is, Sardinian can't be declassified to dialect, because it is NOT a dialect. It is a language.
I also don't understand how that fact is an insult to the language of Italian.

 

[Riverwolf]

what do you mean by arbitrarily gendered nouns?

I mean there seems to be no "reason" for why certain objects are gendered while others aren't.

 

[lewisnotmiller]

Who cares?

You're not thinking like a male if that's your response.

1) Find inflammatory articles suggesting white people will die out.
2) Find smoking hot white racist female.
3) Breed like bunnies.
4) Run like hell.

How does this not make perfect sense?

 

[Riverwolf]

My thing about culture is that people(Primarily Americans) forget that they actually have a culture. I hate seeing people get into the whole multicultural vibe and feel the need to be Indian and start wearing a dhoti like they own it.
I have seen so many white guys thinking they are Chinese and so many anime nerds thinking they were born in "Nihon". I see South Koreans adopting American language and wanting to be like us to the point they strip themselves of their culture. I have known very few Koreans who do not die their hair blonde for example. Many of them dislike speaking their native tongue as well while Chinese, Taiwanese and Japanese boast it.

When you have a multicultural society it does not mean your own culture is worthless it just means you can experience different cultures. I love many things foreign but I know I am not apart of that culture and do not fool myself into it.

People must realize that if your own culture sucks you just have to make it better, don't adopt another one. American culture has been shaped and molded by English, German, Italian, Greek(very noticeable) and Spanish cultures. We have our own unique culture because of this.
America did not surrender and adopted another culture, we developed it progressively. All cultures are form through progression. Be proud of this and learn from other cultures so you may ensure your own remains special and worthy of your appreciation

Eh. The aspects of US pan-culture that are wholly unique to the US don't particularly interest me, in the same way that the culture of South Africa doesn't interest me. The aspects that do interest me are mirrored in European culture.

 

[dgirl1986]

Why not cheokee?

Or any indiginous languages/law in any country.

 

[Riverwolf]

by the way...do you really think that French is as beautiful as Occitan?

I've heard French quite a bit, having taken 2 years of it in High School. (I forget most of it).

I just listened to some people talking in Occitan casually. In terms of beauty, they're identical to my ears.

 

[Sha'irullah]

Eh. The aspects of US pan-culture that are wholly unique to the US don't particularly interest me, in the same way that the culture of South Africa doesn't interest me. The aspects that do interest me are mirrored in European culture.

This is why I usually have to sugar coat American multiculturalism. It is an exclusive American issue since Americans feel that they are unique in their cultural mix. But almost all countries consist of a cultural and ethnic mix. Arabs are not native to North Africa for example yet we view it as a cultural norm.

 

[dgirl1986]

I love the french language, I love pronouncing of mineral water lol

 

[Sha'irullah]

I love the french language, I love pronouncing of mineral water lol

Minareeeel Wa'teeer

 

[Glaurung]

But I thought using gendered particles in German was sort of optional?

Every noun in German has an inherent grammatical gender. (masculine, feminine and neuter) It's even more important to get this right in German as you need the gender to correctly decline your noun for case.

Here is the declension pattern for the definite article (the)

There's nothing optional about this unless you want to completely avoid nouns.

Grammatical gender is a reality of the majority of languages in the Indo-European family, including Old English. Modern English is kind of the oddball in this. There's no rhyme or reason for it, but it is what it is.

English actually isn't 100% free of gendered nouns. We do have one: ships are gendered female.

Traditionally, nations took the feminine as well.

I do need to get more experience with other languages. ^_^

Don't feel bad, language is one of my foremost interests. I actually study it as a hobby. English, French, German and Mandarin Chinese are the languages I'm most familiar with in terms of how they work. (although at this point I can only effectively communicate in English and French) I'll learn the other two within my lifetime though.

 

[LongGe123]

I couldn't vote in this because the first option, which I was opting for turned out to be a poor reflection of how I feel. I don't agree with Peter Hitchens on much, but I do about one thing, which is a new kind of liberal bigotry that is taking hold in our societies. People with more conservative views should NOT be called bigots, haters and whatever else, unless they are actually acting that way. Wanting to keep things the way they are is merely an alternative viewpoint, and is not an automatic attack on any other viewpoint. Many out there should be ashamed for their cowardly and idiotic attacks on conservatives or anyone with views that oppose their "cool" ideas.

What kind of a discussion is it when you have people saying "like this, or else!"