Musk threatens to sue the Anti-Defamation League

[Lyndon]

most white south africans I have met are incredibly racist, musk seems to be one of them, he's basically scum of the earth IMHO

 

[anna.]

I read somewhere the ADL did demand Musk to censor a certain discourse on X (Twitter).

You read somewhere? That's not evidence. Again, you're invited to provide evidence for your assertion.

 

[Estro Felino]

You read somewhere? That's not evidence. Again, you're invited to provide evidence for your assertion.

I call it logic.
As this article says, the ADL stated that Musk is an anti-Semite for allowing some tweets on his platform.
So...this means that they expect him to do censorship.
Logic.

Elon Musk vows to sue ADL for calling him antisemitic over X campaign

Musk accused of amplifying white supremacists seeking to ‘Ban the ADL’

www.independent.co.uk

 

[rosends]

He must have said some Jews are against the way he manages his company...and so on...
Some Jews is not all Jews ...so he can never be accused of anti-Semitism.

Sorry to interrupt but I wanted to comment on this. If the way that he identifies people is by their religion, that raises flags for me. Instead of saying "some ADL members are" or "some users are..." he is talking about them vis-a-vis their religious identity. It doesn't matter if he doesn't speak out against all Jews -- if he views behavior through the lens of religious identity, he is making religion a cause of problems as it is the primary way he defines his critics.

 

[anna.]

I call it logic.

It's not logic that you provide as evidence that you "read somewhere."

As this article says, the ADL stated that Musk is an anti-Semite for allowing some tweets on his platform.
So...this means that they we expect him to do censorship.
Logic.

Elon Musk vows to sue ADL for calling him antisemitic over X campaign

Musk accused of amplifying white supremacists seeking to ‘Ban the ADL’

www.independent.co.uk

So now we have an article that tells us what Musk said about the ADL - but not what the ADL has said in "trying to censor" Musk.

From my previous link posted to you (which I'm hopeful, but not certain that you read):

The ADL, however, never accused Musk or X of being anti-Semitic. The group reported, correctly, that X was hosting anti-Semitic content and Musk had rolled back efforts to combat hate speech. And the ADL, exercising its First Amendment rights, encouraged advertisers to spend their money elsewhere unless and until Musk changed course. The notion that the ADL, a Jewish group, has the power to force corporations to bend to its will is rooted in anti-Semitic tropes about Jewish power over the business world.



As you've been told, the first amendment protects us from censorship by the government. The ADL has a first amendment right to report that Twitter is hosting anti-Semitic content, that Musk is allowing and even encouraging it by engaging it.

 

[RestlessSoul]

Most say his iq is around 155.

What Is Elon Musk's IQ?

Smart vs. intelligent, there is a difference, believe it or not. Smart is something you learn, the knowledge you gain over the years increases your smarts.

celebanswers.com

His behavior is said to be attributed to ketamine that he uses for depression.

Elon Musk reportedly microdoses ketamine to treat depression and takes full doses of the drug at parties

Elon Musk told people he microdoses ketamine for depression and has taken full doses of the anaesthetic at parties, The Wall Street Journal reported.

www.businessinsider.com

Ketamine, for depression? He needs to smarten up, and sack his doctors.

 

[We Never Know]

Ketamine, for depression? He needs to smarten up, and sack his doctors.

Efficacy of ketamine therapy in the treatment of depression - PMC

Severe depressive disorder is among most debilitating condition. Conventional pharmacotherapy usually takes several weeks (usually 4–12 weeks) to improve symptoms. Ketamine is an N–methyl-D aspartate receptor antagonist having rapid action on ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

What Is Ketamine? How It Works and May Help With Severe Depression

Is ketamine a treatment for depression? What are the risks? Learn about the uses, benefits, and side effects of ketamine.

www.webmd.com

The Benefits of Ketamine Therapy for Depression

Recent research shows that, for some people, ketamine therapy may relieve depressive symptoms and restore quality of life when other treatments have failed.

www.uhhospitals.org

 

[Estro Felino]

Sorry to interrupt but I wanted to comment on this. If the way that he identifies people is by their religion, that raises flags for me. Instead of saying "some ADL members are" or "some users are..." he is talking about them vis-a-vis their religious identity. It doesn't matter if he doesn't speak out against all Jews -- if he views behavior through the lens of religious identity, he is making religion a cause of problems as it is the primary way he defines his critics.

One question. There have been such articles for years, and after the overturning of the Roe vs Wade, they have multiplied.
I don't feel offended or targeted, as a Catholic.
But yeah...they did underline that the SCOTUS has been hijacked by Catholics.
Catholics plural. As if being a Catholic were something negative or something. Through the lens of religious identity.

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/07/10/politics/catholic-justices/index.html

Too Many Catholic Justices? | Commonweal Magazine

Does legal journalist Linda Greenhouse have a problem with Catholics?

www.commonwealmagazine.org

But no Catholic has ever spoken of Catholicophobia. Why?

 

[RestlessSoul]

Efficacy of ketamine therapy in the treatment of depression - PMC

Severe depressive disorder is among most debilitating condition. Conventional pharmacotherapy usually takes several weeks (usually 4–12 weeks) to improve symptoms. Ketamine is an N–methyl-D aspartate receptor antagonist having rapid action on ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

What Is Ketamine? How It Works and May Help With Severe Depression

Is ketamine a treatment for depression? What are the risks? Learn about the uses, benefits, and side effects of ketamine.

www.webmd.com

The Benefits of Ketamine Therapy for Depression

Recent research shows that, for some people, ketamine therapy may relieve depressive symptoms and restore quality of life when other treatments have failed.

www.uhhospitals.org

I'm surprised at that. There's a big ketamine abuse problem in my old home town. Those street users don't look happy.

 

[rosends]

One question. There have been such articles for years, and after the overturning of the Roe vs Wade, they have multiplied.
I don't feel offended or targeted, as a Catholic.
But yeah...they did underline that the SCOTUS has been hijacked by Catholics.
Catholics plural. As if being a Catholic were something negative or something. Through the lens of religious identity.

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/07/10/politics/catholic-justices/index.html

But no Catholic has ever spoken of Catholicophobia. Why?

I don't know -- when Kennedy was running there was a lot of anti-Catholic sentiment (if I remember my history classes correctly). But as a large group, (at least in recent history and multiple places) I don't think Catholics have been victimized in the same way.

There is an ADL because people saw a need for it. Maybe it came from the long history of explicit and implicit bias. There is an NAACP. I think that there is a group that defends against anti-Islam statements. There is also an ACLU. Groups begin begin their own defenses. If no one has spoken of Catholic-phobia or set up a "defense" organization, maybe there hasn't been a critical mass of hatred over history, especially when compared to the number of Catholics in the world.

 

[Estro Felino]

I don't know -- when Kennedy was running there was a lot of anti-Catholic sentiment (if I remember my history classes correctly). But as a large group, (at least in recent history and multiple places) I don't think Catholics have been victimized in the same way.

There is an ADL because people saw a need for it. Maybe it came from the long history of explicit and implicit bias. There is an NAACP. I think that there is a group that defends against anti-Islam statements. There is also an ACLU. Groups begin begin their own defenses. If no one has spoken of Catholic-phobia or set up a "defense" organization, maybe there hasn't been a critical mass of hatred over history, especially when compared to the number of Catholics in the world.

I totally agree.
The problem arises if and when the ADL decides to state that all Jews are immaculate saints, so it's forbidden to criticize one of them.
On Twitter, or on other social media.

Also because...the word Anti-Semitism is abused. It's a fact.
Given that, as I was saying, European politicians supporting Netanyahu or Israeli nationalism have been considered antI-Semites.

 

[rosends]

I totally agree.
The problem arises if and when the ADL decides to state that all Jews are immaculate saints, so it's forbidden to criticize one of them.
On Twitter, or on other social media.

I don't think the claim is that anyone is immaculate, just that choosing to attack or insult a group, or a group member as identified by religion is simply wrong. If someone says "Rosends is a jerk" then hey, go ahead. If someone says "that Jewish guy is a jerk" we start getting into muddier water.

Also because...the word Anti-Semitism is abused. It's a fact.
Given that, as I was saying, European politicians supporting Netanyahu or Israeli nationalism have been considered antI-Semites.

I think a lot of words are abused (including "Islamaphobia").

One can support a political party and still be against a racial/religious group. Politics is nasty business and to look for consistency there is to court failure.

 

[Estro Felino]

I don't think the claim is that anyone is immaculate, just that choosing to attack or insult a group, or a group member as identified by religion is simply wrong. If someone says "Rosends is a jerk" then hey, go ahead. If someone says "that Jewish guy is a jerk" we start getting into muddier water.

I did point out that in every religion, in every group there are bad people and good people.

Underlining that one is of a particular religion is not offensive. Because the great majority of that religion are good people, so the bad people are irrelevant.

One can support a political party and still be against a racial/religious group. Politics is nasty business and to look for consistency there is to court failure.

I disagree. If one supports Israeli nationalists, it's because they believe in the religious identity of that party.

 

[Rachel Rugelach]

But no Catholic has ever spoken of Catholicophobia. Why?

Actually, Bill Donohue, founder of The Catholic League, regularly serves as a spokesperson against "Catholicphobia" (as you called it) here in the United States. I first became familiar with Bill Donohue when he campaigned some years ago against Penn and Teller (a duo magician act here in the U.S., and outspoken atheists).

I think that Penn and Teller are equally opposed to all religious involvement in our U.S. government, and are not seeking the destruction of the Catholic people, themselves.

 

[Estro Felino]

Actually, Bill Donohue, founder of The Catholic League, regularly serves as a spokesperson against "Catholicphobia" (as you called it) here in the United States. I first became familiar with Bill Donohue when he campaigned some years ago against Penn and Teller (a duo magician act here in the U.S., and outspoken atheists).

The difference between me and them here is that I will never try to censor criticism of Catholics.
Catholics are not a monolith. There are individuals.
So if he does, he is wrong.

 

[Revoltingest]

I don't know -- when Kennedy was running there was a lot of anti-Catholic sentiment (if I remember my history classes correctly). But as a large group, (at least in recent history and multiple places) I don't think Catholics have been victimized in the same way.

There is an ADL because people saw a need for it. Maybe it came from the long history of explicit and implicit bias. There is an NAACP. I think that there is a group that defends against anti-Islam statements. There is also an ACLU. Groups begin begin their own defenses. If no one has spoken of Catholic-phobia or set up a "defense" organization, maybe there hasn't been a critical mass of hatred over history, especially when compared to the number of Catholics in the world.

Catholics differ in that they’re so numerous, & wield great power in US gov, eg, 6/9 of SCOTUS justices. Rather than their needing defense, I see the need to defend against them….& Abrahamics in general. ACLU & IJ are useful.

 

[Rachel Rugelach]

The question here is that I will never try to censor criticism of Catholics.
Catholics are not a monolith. There are individuals.
So if he does, he is wrong.

There is a difference between criticism and anti-(fill in the blank as you choose) bias. The ADL, in fact, answers the question "Is criticism of Israel antisemitic?" in this way:

"Generally, no. There is a wide range of views regarding the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, and vigorous debate and activism on this complex situation is an important component of public discourse and the free exchange of ideas. Israel is a country like any other, with policies that range from laudable to condemnable. We don't all need to agree on any given policy of the Israeli government, nor any critique."

 

[fantome profane]

The question here is that I will never try to censor criticism of Catholics.

But the real question is would you try to censor criticism of Twitter (or X)?




Remember, it is Musk suing the ADL because of what they said. He is trying to shut down their free speech.

 

[Estro Felino]

But the real question is would you try to censor criticism of Twitter (or X)?




Remember, it is Musk suing the ADL because of what they said. He is trying to shut down their free speech.

I just want to know something: have they openly accused him of being an anti-Semite?
Yes or no.

 

[Estro Felino]

There is a difference between criticism and anti-(fill in the blank as you choose) bias. The ADL, in fact, answers the question "Is criticism of Israel antisemitic?" in this way:

"Generally, no. There is a wide range of views regarding the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, and vigorous debate and activism on this complex situation is an important component of public discourse and the free exchange of ideas. Israel is a country like any other, with policies that range from laudable to condemnable. We don't all need to agree on any given policy of the Israeli government, nor any critique."

One question: if a person underlines that Epstein was a Jew, is that anti-Semitism?