Musk threatens to sue the Anti-Defamation League

[Rachel Rugelach]

One question: if a person underlines that Epstein was a Jew, is that anti-Semitism?

Do you mean Jeffrey Epstein, the convicted sex-offender? What might be the purpose of underlining that he was a Jew?

 

[Estro Felino]

Do you mean Jeffrey Epstein, the convicted sex-offender? What might be the purpose of underlining that he was a Jew?

To understand whether he was a theist or an atheist...whether he had morals, ...

I mean... I am the first to acknowledge there is a problem of paedophilia cases within the Catholic Church...
even if they are rare, they are a problem.
So self-criticism is the first step to improve the situation.

 

[metis]

Bigotry is bigotry no matter who does it or whom it's done against as it's a form of stereotyping. If I were to say "All Christians are...", you know that this is not going to end well.

 

[Viker]

I call it logic.
As this article says, the ADL stated that Musk is an anti-Semite for allowing some tweets on his platform.
So...this means that they expect him to do censorship.
Logic.

Elon Musk vows to sue ADL for calling him antisemitic over X campaign

Musk accused of amplifying white supremacists seeking to ‘Ban the ADL’

www.independent.co.uk

There is a Twitter/X policy against things like antisemitic hate speech or any hate speech. Hate speech is when people use aggressive or violent verbal expression against another group.

Musk announced he was going to remove the block/ignore function. This would allow threatening and violent speech to crowd up in not only Jews but others twitter feeds.

The ADL asked why he would allow hate speech. He claims it's still free speech. So under his new policy you will have to accept a flood of hateful, threatening and violent tweets along side tweets from friends. They simply exercised their free speech. He's calling it slander and defamation (irony) and wants to file a lawsuit.

He's either a raging hypocrite or an antisemite. Maybe both. Mostly a hypocrite. He makes a habit of doublespeak.

 

[Rachel Rugelach]

To understand whether he was a theist or an atheist...whether he had morals, ...

I mean... I am the first to acknowledge there is a problem of paedophilia cases within the Catholic Church...
even if they are rare, they are a problem.
So self-criticism is the first step to improve the situation.

I think it's pretty obvious that Epstein was lacking in morals. Also, one's status as either a theist or an atheist does not automatically indicate that one is either moral or immoral.

There is nothing new about singling out Jews. In fact, there has been a practice online of antisemites identifying Jews with parentheses around their screen names, like this: (((Rachel Rugelach))). The purpose was, in effect, to place a target on Jews or to intimidate Jews somehow. In recent years, many Jews themselves (as well as non-Jews sympathetic to Jews) have mocked those antisemites by deliberately choosing to place those parentheses around their own names.

 

[Estro Felino]

There is a Twitter/X policy against things like antisemitic hate speech or any hate speech. Hate speech is when people use aggressive or violent verbal expression against another group.

Musk announced he was going to remove the block/ignore function. This would allow threatening and violent speech to crowd up in not only Jews but others twitter feeds.

The ADL asked why he would allow hate speech. He claims it's still free speech. So under his new policy you will have to accept a flood of hateful, threatening and violent tweets along side tweets from. They simply exercised their free speech. He's calling it slander and defamation (irony) and wants to file a lawsuit.

He's either a raging hypocrite or an antisemite. Maybe both. Mostly a hypocrite. He makes a habit of doublespeak.

I am happy to live in a country where there is real freedom of speech.
Like in France, Spain...etc...
Not a small version of it. A real one.

 

[Estro Felino]

I think it's pretty obvious that Epstein was lacking in morals. Also, one's status as either a theist or an atheist does not automatically indicate that one is either moral or immoral.

You agree with me, then.
There are bad people and good people in every religion.

I hope the ADL acknowledges that.

 

[Rachel Rugelach]

You agree with me, then.
There are bad people and good people in every religion.

I hope the ADL acknowledges that.

If you've been reading my previous posts, then you already should be assured that the ADL acknowledges that. As do I.

 

[Viker]

I am happy to live in a country where there is real freedom of speech.
Like in France, Spain...etc...
Not a small version of it. A real one.


I don't like being gagged.

So. If someone is threatening to kill you, for who you are, you're okay with that? Especially when there is a history of people following through with threatening speech? You don't mind being harassed and targeted?

You're lying.

Italy and Germany, especially, have harsher penalties and tougher laws against this stuff.

 

[Rachel Rugelach]

No. I meant this:

...and yes. Pretty accurate.

Nobody has censored Brian, the fictional talking dog, as far as I know. There is no comparison between the humor of Family Guy and the actual antisemitic tweets that I provided you with in an earlier post.

You're kind of trivializing this issue, now.

 

[It Aint Necessarily So]

The Republicans hardly contribute to the ADL, since this is a biased Lefty organization. Follow the money and you cam learn and infer things.

They used to, according to the graphic you provided (this represents ADL contributions by political affiliation over time). It's natural that Democratic voters would oppose defamation more than Republican voters. They're different kinds of people with different worldviews, values, and agendas.

What else does this graph tell us about why this has changed? Just look at the years to understand that. On the far left is immediately pre-Trump, and on the right is end-Trump. The bigots have been given permission, remember? "You will not replace us," they threaten.

Is there a Jewish Defamation League? If so, that's where post-MAGA "Righties" will predominate, and the graphs will likely look like these, but with the colors reversed. Rightists promote assorted bigotries.

it would not occur to me to second guess the richest human animal on the planet. Even I am not quite that arrogant.

Really? I guess that makes me arrogant. I interpret everybody's words and deeds. Why shouldn't I?

 

[Estro Felino]

Nobody has censored Brian, the fictional talking dog, as far as I know. There is no comparison between the humor of Family Guy and the actual antisemitic tweets that I provided you with in an earlier post.

You're kind of trivializing this issue, now.

I don't understand why you provided me with tweets with blurred names.
Twitter is a public platform, so real evidence implies something verifiable.

 

[Rachel Rugelach]

I don't understand why you provided me with tweets with blurred names.
Twitter is a public platform, so real evidence implies something verifiable.

The names weren't blurred by me, but I would have blurred those names myself, anyway. Many websites have rules against doxxing people (publishing private or identifying information about a particular individual on the internet), and I prefer to err on the side of caution. A moderator will have to make that determination regarding doxxing here.

Additionally, there is no way of determining whether that tweet you just posted was allowed by the previous administration for Twitter. It may very likely have been deleted after it was picked up by whatever site you found it on.

 

[Estro Felino]

The names weren't blurred by me, but I would have blurred those names myself, anyway. Many websites have rules against doxxing people (publishing private or identifying information about a particular individual on the internet), and I prefer to err on the side of caution. A moderator will have to make that determination regarding doxxing here.

Okay. But publishing Musk's or politicians' tweets is allowed.

 

[Rachel Rugelach]

Okay. But publishing Musk's or politicians' tweets is allowed.

Musk and politicians are public figures.

 

[Estro Felino]

Additionally, there is no way of determining whether that tweet you just posted was allowed by the previous administration for Twitter. It may very likely have been deleted after it was picked up by whatever site you found it on.

Is the ADL okay with those tweets tweeted by His Majesty the Iranian Sultan?
Or do they protest because of them, as well?

Why Twitter Won’t Ban Its Most Powerful Anti-Semite

The platform’s decision makers don’t understand anti-Semitism, and they aren’t embarrassed by it.

newsletters.theatlantic.com

 

[rosends]

I disagree. If one supports Israeli nationalists, it's because they believe in the religious identity of that party.

The Israeli nationalists are, to a very large degree, not religious. The religious parties, necessary to any coalition, are not as large.

 

[fantome profane]

The previous management would allow tweets like this

And what did the ADL say about that?

 

[Rachel Rugelach]

Is the ADL okay with those tweets tweeted by His Majesty the Iranian Sultan?
Or do they protest, as well?

Why Twitter Won’t Ban Its Most Powerful Anti-Semite

The platform’s decision makers don’t understand anti-Semitism, and they aren’t embarrassed by it.

newsletters.theatlantic.com

You can research this or ask the ADL yourself, and then report back to us.

Edited to add: https://www.npr.org/2021/01/22/959736537/twitter-bans-account-linked-to-irans-supreme-leader

Twitter banned the account linked to Iranian Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei. This was before Musk took over Twitter in October of 2022. I don't know whether Musk has invited Khamenei back again.

 

[rosends]

Catholics differ in that they’re so numerous, & wield great power in US gov, eg, 6/9 of SCOTUS justices. Rather than their needing defense, I see the need to defend against them….& Abrahamics in general. ACLU & IJ are useful.

I understand that. I just prefer not to make associations with other aspects of identity unless that aspect is driving the behavior or concept I am critical of.