Muslim Brotherhood Statement Denouncing UN Women Declaration for Violating Sharia Principles

[Father Heathen]

I think its too stupid thing to try to unify and standardize the rules of women allover the world as its community and society had its religions and traditions that should be taken in consideration whike writing rights and duties for women isn't it?

No, a person's rights and freedoms should always come first and should never be superseded or undermined by the irrational, unjust superstitions and social norms of others. There is a huge difference between believing and practicing your own religious beliefs for yourself, and attempting to impose them upon others.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Article Seventeen: The Role of Muslim Women
The Muslim women have a no lesser role than that of men in the war of liberation; they manufacture men and play a great role in guiding and educating the [new] generation. The enemies have understood that role, therefore they realize that if they can guide and educate [the Muslim women] in a way that would distance them from Islam, they would have won that war. Therefore, you can see them making consistent efforts [in that direction] by way of publicity and movies, curricula of education and culture, using as their intermediaries their craftsmen who are part of the various Zionist Organizations which take on all sorts of names and shapes such as: the Freemasons, Rotary Clubs, gangs of spies and the like. All of them are nests of saboteurs and sabotage. Those Zionist organizations control vast material resources, which enable them to fulfill their mission amidst societies, with a view of implementing Zionist goals and sowing the concepts that can be of use to the enemy. Those organizations operate [in a situation] where Islam is absent from the arena and alienated from its people. Thus, the Muslims must fulfill their duty in confronting the schemes of those saboteurs. When Islam will retake possession of [the means to] guide the life [of the Muslims], it will wipe out those organizations which are the enemy of humanity and Islam.

I can fully understand why they would be terrified if the women of those lands became educated. To become aware of just how horribly mistreated and abused they are, taking a stand against it, and maybe even a no-sex strike if they could read and began to study classic culture.

 

[Father Heathen]

I think we need to define equality first as the creator doesn't create males and females in equality but to complete each other, so the word equality need to be adjusted

Many people do not share how you perceive and portray your creator concept, nor believe the claims that you attach to it, therefore it is not relevant to them, nor is it a justification for you to exert your will and wishes over them.

 

[WyattDerp]

I can fully understand why they would be terrified if the women of those lands became educated. To become aware of just how horribly mistreated and abused they are, taking a stand against it, and maybe even a no-sex strike if they could read and began to study classic culture.

Exactly. "No I don't think I want to bear your children, much less marry you, I made some comparisons and realized you're a brute". That, the pure primal fear of the dinosaur, is a powerful thing. It's stubborn too, like an oil spill or chewing gum in the hair. However, it too shall pass..

 

[WyattDerp]

And, and, the Rotary Club? Really?

Rotary International - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The 4-Way Test considers the following questions in respect to thinking, saying or doing:
-- Is it the truth?
-- Is it fair to all concerned?
-- Will it build goodwill and better friendships?
-- Will it be beneficial to all concerned?

As a fanatical muslim that might scare me, too. Holy crap, critical thinking?! Put 'em on the list before it's too late!!

 

[Assad91]

This is nothing but an attempt to westernize Egypt. No muslim will give their childre contraceptives, nor allow abortion for women who just want to kill offspring.


Repect prostitutes? How? Like legalize it? Why should muslims allow that?

And muslim women arwnt forced to marry a man they dont want to.

 

[FearGod]

Those kind of women that we should highly respect .:yes:

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[islam abduallah]

I think when it comes to defining equality we should stick to reality,as a Human being a Woman should have the same rights as Men,as far as i'm concerned there are no negative attributes to that.

In my opinion its totally wrong to say equality between men and women, they are not equal in any thing, strength, mentality, emotions, duties, so then how to say they must be equal in rights
Its like socialism, working harder and lesser working should have the same vouchers regardless tgeir efforts or productivity
I believe in many fields women should have more rights than men, and in other fields men should have more but taking it as a bulk take it or leave it is really too far from the nature that we had created with

 

[Riverwolf]

This is nothing but an attempt to westernize Egypt.

So Egypt will go through another culture shock, just like it did when Islam came to it. If Egypt becomes Westernized, then that will eventually die down to be replaced by something else in the future.

No muslim will give their childre contraceptives, nor allow abortion for women who just want to kill offspring.

Then they don't have to.

But those who do want to will be able to.

Repect prostitutes? How? Like legalize it? Why should muslims allow that?

Why shouldn't they? Nothing inherently wrong with prostitution except for health concerns that would no longer be problematic if it were well-protected and well-regulated by law.

But if the majority of muslims won't want it, and thus keep it from being allowed, well... that's democracy.

 

[Riverwolf]

Those kind of women that we should highly respect .:yes:

Why shouldn't this model be respected? Sure in front of those cameras she dresses like that and puts on a dull expression, but beyond the studio, she's almost certainly like any other person, man or woman.

 

[Riverwolf]

In my opinion its totally wrong to say equality between men and women, they are not equal in any thing, strength, mentality, emotions, duties,

Yeah, they are.

Even physically, I'm weaker than all but one of my female friends.

 

[islam abduallah]

Many people do not share how you perceive and portray your creator concept, nor believe the claims that you attach to it, therefore it is not relevant to them, nor is it a justification for you to exert your will and wishes over them.

And you can say the same for yourself and for the Un itself and so I said the best thing that each state organize that issue based on their religion and traditions what you see ok doesn't fit to me and viceversa
If the UN came here and said that to the egyptian women, they will receive a tough answer
Even if muslim brotherhood accepted the world's pressure , they will find that they can't apply it, the first who will offend them are the women

 

[islam abduallah]

Yeah, they are.

Even physically, I'm weaker than all but one of my female friends.

You will make me feel to try to be pregnant next time instead of my wife

 

[islam abduallah]

So Egypt will go through another culture shock, just like it did when Islam came to it. If Egypt becomes Westernized, then that will eventually die down to be replaced by something else in the future.

who's talking about Egypt's history while i'm here !!

Why shouldn't they? Nothing inherently wrong with prostitution except for health concerns that would no longer be problematic if it were well-protected and well-regulated by law.

But if the majority of muslims won't want it, and thus keep it from being allowed, well... that's democracy.

the majority of Egyptians decide that Muslim brotherhood to rule egypt for four years, so the rejection of Muslim brotherhood was a reflection for the Egyptian's will

it's democracy

 

[Debater Slayer]

And you can say the same for yourself and for the Un itself and so I said the best thing that each state organize that issue based on their religion and traditions what you see ok doesn't fit to me and viceversa
If the UN came here and said that to the egyptian women, they will receive a tough answer
Even if muslim brotherhood accepted the world's pressure , they will find that they can't apply it, the first who will offend them are the women

All women wouldn't want to be able to travel on their own?

And I know at least one woman who has "replaced guardianship with partnership." Should she and others like her be denied that right just because other women may not want to do so in their homes?

 

[islam abduallah]

what really makes me feel bad of this topic and confirm what i'm believing in that it's one eye world while the second eye is blind that we are concerning on some issues that the women in Egypt or in the whole Islamic world doesn't pay attention to it, while they are willing somebody to defend the Iraqi & Afghan Muslim women who were raped by the american forces, defend the Palestinian women who saw her children were killed by the occupation forces before her eyes
who will defend her to be able to wear what she wills in France and Belgium
but the world don't see that, just see things that the women themselves don't call for it

 

[Debater Slayer]

what really makes me feel bad of this topic and confirm what i'm believing in that it's one eye world while the second eye is blind that we are concerning on some issues that the women in Egypt or in the whole Islamic world doesn't pay attention to it, while they are willing somebody to defend the Iraqi & Afghan Muslim women who were raped by the american forces, defend the Palestinian women who saw her children were killed by the occupation forces before her eyes
who will defend her to be able to wear what she wills in France and Belgium
but the world don't see that, just see things that the women themselves don't call for it

Please see post #35. There are women who may be denied certain rights due to overall restrictions by people who don't believe they should have said rights and want to impose their beliefs on them.

The rest of the argument looks like a tu quoque to me. Two wrongs don't make a right, and pointing fingers won't solve any problems on either side.

 

[islam abduallah]

as per my knowledge with the Egyptian law, that women are allowed to travel alone "i'm saying here the Egyptian law not the Islamic law" and i was in KSA 2 months ago, there were women in my trip traveled without men and it was approved also by KSA embassy to generate visa for them without men

 

[Debater Slayer]

as per my knowledge with the Egyptian law, that women are allowed to travel alone "i'm saying here the Egyptian law not the Islamic law" and i was in KSA 2 months ago, there were women in my trip traveled without men and it was approved also by KSA embassy to generate visa for them without men

The Muslim Brotherhood seem to be opposed to that, though. They seem to be condemning allowing women to travel alone without men, which makes me wonder what changes they'd make to Egyptian law if they could. I think that shouldn't be ignored or dismissed at all, since it can affect the rights of so many people.

 

[islam abduallah]

The Muslim Brotherhood seem to be opposed to that, though. They seem to be condemning allowing women to travel alone without men, which makes me wonder what changes they'd make to Egyptian law if they could. I think that shouldn't be ignored or dismissed at all, since it can affect the rights of so many people.

I'M and my family's women "who are too well educated" SUPPORTING THEM to change this law as it'a against the women's protection.

let me tell you what happened during this trip, i return back to Cairo while my hometown "portsaid" was burning due to sever clashes between protesters and the interior after a court judged to execute 21 of my town, so our president declare the emergency in my town and ban the walk after 9 PM
and we reached Cairo on 11 PM, there were 10 women from port said
and so we wait in the air port to travel on 4 Am TO REACH portsaid after the ban is cleared, the bus car was from cairo and he was afraid to enter portsaid as he thought the ppl may attack the car cuz of it's cairo labelled, after negotiation i convinced him to enter
i was the only man with them, and then we travelled on the dawn, it's dark we are alone on the road, if me and the driver and his assistant were evil what would be the fate of those women, at least stealing, maybe worst rape them, maybe killed, you can say what you like to say, and after we reach safe they told me we will never travel alone without man, as simply if this driver think to rape them, i can say to him ok leave me secure and do what you want to do against them, but for sure i'll not do that and thanks to allah the driver was good

but really it's too risky, and the women reached they said we will never travel alone again,
this is why Islam prohibit for women to travel alone, it's not against the rights of women but it's to protect her