You have no idea what a Muslim is or what Islam teaches. Mind you (I'm NOT a Muslim) but I know enough to call foul when I see it. Now, Muslims didn't make Yeshua into a Muslim. The word means (To voluntarily submit or one who submits). In Islamic thought you don't have to be a follower of Islam to be considered a Muslim. To Muslims it is a universal description.
You have no business commenting on Muslims or Jews if you don't know what you're taking about.
If you're not a Muslim then neither do you, hypocrite. You have your opinion about Muhammad's Islam as an outsider. I have mine.
Qur'an
3:193
Our Lord, we have heard a caller calling us to belief, saying, "Believe you in your Lord!" And we believe.
Our Lord, forgive Thou us our sins and acquit us of our evil deeds, and take us to Thee with the pious.
48:2
that God may forgive thee thy former and thy latter sins, and complete His blessing upon thee, and guide thee on a straight path,
So it would appear you are in error. In Islam it does teach "Allah" will forgive sins.
Do you really want me to post the great many sayings in the Quran where Allah punishes sinners with everlasting fire and torment? The Quran has more condemning to hell than any other Abrahamic scripture. And tell us about Isa as the pacifist Muslim Jesus Christ who counsels turning the other cheek instead of an eye for an eye, tell us about him so we can see for ourselves this Isa as Jesus Christ.
How about you go and examine your book of Chronicles and Kings in the OT (Bible).
How about you read again my Gnostic Christian stance on the Torah/Tanakh so you stop confusing me with Pauline Christian believers.
By your logic Christianity is disqualified as well.
Not Gnostic Christianity which you seem unfamiliar with. Hint: no traditional hell in classical Gnostic Christianity which regards this life in the material world as hellish enough.
What "idols" are you talking about and have you even read the Qur'an?
Yes, three times now. Muslims are taught to bow down to this paper and ink IDOL. It is treated as an idol would be treated where the idol tells believers it is Taboo to ever question the idol. Same thing with Muhammad where he makes himself into another Muslim IDOL where Muslims are forbidden to ever question him as such. The way Muslims defend their IDOL Muhammad when he's just a pile of bones is the mark of idolators defending their idol to the death. I mean what could be more utterly absurd than to think a dead man could be offended by words spoken against him over a thousand years later. Islam glorifies Muslim male egos as inviolate mentality defensible to the death which is another primitive characteristic unfit for our modern world.
Say that again but stand in front of a mirror while holding up your bible. See the similarities.
How many times do it take it to register in your brain that I am not a Pauline Christian but Gnostic. The Bible is not our holy book. The library is where God's books are to be found, not in any single book on the shelf but all of them.
I didn't say they weren't. Your charge was about "sin" and I'm simply giving you the facts. Jews and Muslims believe that the sins of the father are not passed down but everyone bears their own personal responsibility for their actions and shall be judge by "God" accordingly.
What is different then from Christian social responsibility which if you know your history has produced most of the world's social change programs protecting innocents from injustice as well as most of the world's charity programs. No other religion comes close to Christian charities worldwide. That's individual responsibilty in Christian form.
Surely you don't speak for ALL Christians when you say that? There are plenty out there teaching of the dammed burning in hell or lake of fire for eternity (
What Does The Bible Say About Hell And A Sinners Punishment?).
I speak for me, no one else, but I do know many a Christian who has no belief in the hellish Egyptian lake of fire adopted by Jewish Christianity where souls are judged worthy enough to cross over into heaven or be rejected and sent back or into the fiery lake.
The Qur'an teaches the same thing.
5:98
Know God is terrible in retribution, and God is All-forgiving, All-compassionate.
Does not your bible teach the same thing about "God" there?
Both Yahweh and Allah claim to be "all-forgiving, all compassionate" here in their Scriptures while damning sinners to everlasting hell there in the same Scriptures. I don't follow Yahweh or Allah, both lower war gods. I follow God Most High who is Jesus' heavenly Father and gave Jesus and us the spiritual truth whereas Moses and Muhammad, both being killers of men, gave us religion as war--from their tribal war gods masquerading as God.
As far as "Turning the other cheek" the Qur'an teaches the same thing.
23:96
Repel thou the evil with that which is fairer.......
41:34
Not equal are the good deed and the evil deed. Repel with that which is fairer and behold, he between whom and thee there is enmity shall be as if he were a loyal friend.
Eye for eye in Islam:
5:45 And We ordained therein for them: Life for life, eye for eye, nose for nose, ear for ear, tooth for tooth and wounds equal for equal. But if anyone remits the retaliation by way of charity, it shall be for him an expiation. And whosoever does not judge by that which Allah has revealed, such are the Zalimun (polytheists and wrongdoers . . .).
Ahh, but I'm not a Muslim. I'm simply highlighting your bigotry. When it comes to the Abrahamic faiths you're all the same....No better and no worse than the other.
With your lack of discernment between Abrahamic religions and your total failure to read my posts accurately, of course you'd come out learning nothing but your own prejudices. I suggest you learn something about Gnostic Christianity next time you try debating a Gnostic Christian.
Again, see above...
I'm not referring to the Pauline doctrine. I'm pointing out that everything before the NT scriptures is wholeheartedly part of the Christian doctrine...regardless of what sect you claim. You take the bitter with the sweet. To pick and choose from the OT makes you sound like a hypocrite.
What? Picking and choosing has nothing to do with hypocrisy. You might want to think about this: Jesus Christ gave us the Two Greatest Commandments. Were they written as such in the Torah? No. He had to "pick and choose" among the Ten Commandments and the Mitzvot laws to piece together the Two Greatest Commandments. And with that I rest my case. Have a good day.
I'm very much aware of ALL that. The difference between me and you is I have one less god than you and find all of this theology to be man made...including yours......but I still think Non-Trinitarian Christians, Muslims and Jews worship the same god.....
