"Muslims in Spain declare Jihad on dogs."

[not nom]

Yeah, that's where it becomes awkward.

However, hadith are not considered to be like the Quran, so can be untrue and fraudulent according to Muslim opinion. If something goes against the Quran, it's an untrue hadith, and checking authenticity is done by going from narrator to narrator and all this jazz - so some hadith can be acceptable, others are considered fraudulent.

However, since I'm not Muslim, it has no effect on my personal life. I'll defer this to our Muslim members to discuss.

notice the other link I posted earlier, or hey I'll just repeat it: Quran-Islam.org - True Islam <-- clearly against those hadiths.. and I find the reasoning solid, which is a relief :yes:

 

[Breathe]

notice the other link I posted earlier, or hey I'll just repeat it: Quran-Islam.org - True Islam <-- clearly against those hadiths.. and I find the reasoning solid, which is a relief :yes:

Sadly where I am, a Quran-Alone follower is generally considered no different than a non-believer in Islam.
Most of the Muslim population here are Deobandi.


Although, I do like Quran Alone Islam a lot.

 

[not nom]

yeah, I kinda figured that as well, that it's not that "mainstream" if you will.. but oh well, at least that stuff isn't directly in the quran.

but tradition is tradition and has lots of inertia.

 

[Godobeyer]

notice the other link I posted earlier, or hey I'll just repeat it: Quran-Islam.org - True Islam <-- clearly against those hadiths.. and I find the reasoning solid, which is a relief :yes:

the hadith anounced that the dogs are dirty animals, and we should ablution after touch it , where is problem ?

 

[Kilgore Trout]

Muslims in Spain Declare Jihad on Dogs :: Hudson New York

What are your thoughts on this? Such audacious arrogance is astounding. What makes such immigrants think that the local culture is obligated to make compromises and concessions in order to accommodate their arbitrary whims? They demand respect and reverence for their own culture while at the same time trying to destroy the culture of others. And of course, those who don't roll over and give in to their demands are labelled "islamophobes" or some similar silliness.

Cue the Benny Hill music.

 

[cablescavenger]

Muslims in Spain Declare Jihad on Dogs :: Hudson New York

What are your thoughts on this? Such audacious arrogance is astounding. What makes such immigrants think that the local culture is obligated to make compromises and concessions in order to accommodate their arbitrary whims? They demand respect and reverence for their own culture while at the same time trying to destroy the culture of others. And of course, those who don't roll over and give in to their demands are labelled "islamophobes" or some similar silliness.

What is that then? Pick a field, pick a flag and charge on the count of 3..

 

[Godobeyer]

hey People the dogs and cats are already eatten in China , come on be reasonable, and ask the Chiness to stop eatting them

 

[Godobeyer]

They Eat Dogs in China : Slaughter and Cruelty!

from
They Eat Dogs in China : Slaughter and Cruelty!

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I wish people would start standing up to these religious nuts. It still boggles my mind that here in America an extremist Islam group is allowed to exist and function under the protection of freedom of religion even though that group has made death threats towards American citizens. People do not have to get nasty or violent with them, but make it clear they will be respected as long as they respect those who are allowing their presence. In this case making it very clear that dog-laws will not be altered to appease them and the killing of dogs will not be tolerated.

hey People the dogs and cats are already eatten in China , come on be reasonable, and ask the Chiness to stop eatting them

There is a world's difference between eating dogs because it is your culture and you are in your own home land, and going to someone elses land and making demands that your hosting society change their ways to suit yours. It's really no different than going to your neighbors house and demanding they not watch certain TV shows, play certain games, or talk to their children about certain subjects in their own home because you have a problem with it.

but hitler did not run a religious campaign against the world, he murdered jews because he didnt like them.

Religion played a part in his life but it was not a factor in fighting WW2

Actually Nietzsche was a tremendous influence on Hitler, albeit he was presented with carefully selected passages and Hitler had a very literal interpretation of them. But it still remains that anyone can take any source and twist it to their advantage. The guy who shot up a college in Montreal years ago said Megadeth's song "A Tout le Monde" inspired him, even though it is not at all a violent song.

 

[Father Heathen]

hey People the dogs and cats are already eatten in China , come on be reasonable, and ask the Chiness to stop eatting them

Yes, that's horrible too. I don't think anyone is denying that, but that's not what this thread is about.

 

[Godobeyer]

if you host muslims we host christains , if your some gouverement allowed to host extremist groups of any religion (and they knew they are group of AL-Qaeda) , as it's allowed to Kidnappers Hijack at 9/11 , we don't blame Islam , we blame only the muslims whom comit that crime , and also who allowed to them to enter to USA , and training how to fly by planes .

CIA Admits Foreknowledge of 9-11
from :
CIA Admits Foreknowledge of 9-11

 

[Godobeyer]

ah , now i understand your point , you don't care or pity about dogs , because I gave you an exemple of Chiness whom eating, and no one comment about the chiness !!!!!!!!! just Shadow Wolf which consider it as culture ....
you don't care about dogs you just aim Islam reputation .

 

[Breathe]

ah , now i understand your point , you don't care or pity about dogs , because I gave you an exemple of Chiness whom eating, and no one comment about the chiness !!!!!!!!! just Shadow Wolf which consider it as culture ....
you don't care about dogs you just aim Islam reputation .

That's not the case, here.
This thread is about some Muslims in Spain attacking dogs.

Not about Chinese people eating them.

 

[Godobeyer]

That's not the case, here.
This thread is about some Muslims in Spain attacking dogs.

Not about Chinese people eating them.

ah the dogs of spain are more value than which in the china ?
this is realy hypocrisy thinking way

 

[Revoltingest]

ah the dogs of spain are more value than which in the china ?
this is realy hypocrisy thinking way

I see no hypocrisy.
To kill an animal for food is fine by me.
To kill someone else's pet out of religious animosity is terrible.

 

[Breathe]

ah the dogs of spain are more value than which in the china ?
this is realy hypocrisy thinking way

Again, that's not the topic.
This topic is about some Muslims killing dogs in Spain.
This topic is not about dogs for food in China.
That's why we're not discussing dogs for food in China in this thread, because it's about how dogs are being killed by some Muslims in Spain.

 

[Viker]

People should have the right to practice their religion until it crosses the line into intruding on others right to not. If individuals can not comprehend this, they do not need apply to a host culture ( would save both a lot of headaches and potential heartbreaks ).

Also, I would like to see where in the Qur'an and any Hadiths that dogs are not only prohibited but it is permissible to harm or injure them. I can't find that doing a search. The only place I could find anything like it was from a Hadith that many Muslim scholars believe is a fake or irrelevant to Islamic ministry and life. And even then, it is only against black dogs. The "phony" Hadith I am talking about mentions dogs for protection, assistance, hunting, etc. are fine...just no black dogs. lol

 

[Godobeyer]

I see no hypocrisy.
To kill an animal for food is fine by me.
To kill someone else's pet out of religious animosity is terrible.

hhhhhhhhhhhh
another hypocrisy answer , because you know well that Islam did not allow to kill dogs or any animal , and there is no verse or hadith confirme this threory .
they just put story link, about some muslims in spain , and no one knows if it's true or just fake story .

for me the fake stories are many in the internet , i can make search and put one here in this forum ( the new Jesus in siberia for exemple) , but i dont think is logical or fun . to generous personal acts (or groupe of persons ) for huge pupilation like christains .

do you got my point now ?

 

[Godobeyer]

People should have the right to practice their religion until it crosses the line into intruding on others right to not. If individuals can not comprehend this, they do not need apply to a host culture ( would save both a lot of headaches and potential heartbreaks ).

Also, I would like to see where in the Qur'an and any Hadiths that dogs are not only prohibited but it is permissible to harm or injure them. I can't find that doing a search. The only place I could find anything like it was from a Hadith that many Muslim scholars believe is a fake or irrelevant to Islamic ministry and life. And even then, it is only against black dogs. The "phony" Hadith I am talking about mentions dogs for protection, assistance, hunting, etc. are fine...just no black dogs. lol

I am realy glad for your post MR Viker , thats what i just post and talking about

 

[Revoltingest]

hhhhhhhhhhhh
another hypocrisy answer.....

Try to be civil.
I'm sparing you my judgement of your moral & intellectual worth.

....because you know well that Islam did not allow to kill dogs or any animal , and there is no verse or hadith confirme this threory .
they just put story link, about some muslims in spain , and no one knows if it's true or just fake story .

I'm discussing the issue as presented.
We face this with every news story.

for me the fake stories are many in the internet , i can make search and put one (about the new Jesus in siberia ) , but i dont think is logical or fun . to generous personal acts (or groupe of persons ) for huge pupilation like christains .
do you got my point now ?

I've addressed your point.
See above.

Btw, I see Islam as not just being what the Koran says, but more about what Muslims believe & practice.
If for some groups this conflicts with the Koran, it is still an aspect of Islam IMO.
Religion is what it is....not what someone says it should be.