"Muslims in Spain declare Jihad on dogs."

[Godobeyer]

Again, that's not the topic.
This topic is about some Muslims killing dogs in Spain.
This topic is not about dogs for food in China.
That's why we're not discussing dogs for food in China in this thread, because it's about how dogs are being killed by some Muslims in Spain.

ok it's about some muslim killing dogs in Spain not about the dogs in general , how you know that is true or fake story ?
because there is no a evidence (picture) or video "it's just topic writen by no muslim called Soeren Kern, even we have pictures, how do you know that they were muslims or not ?

 

[Godobeyer]

my point is we need credibility (proofs) in some subjects .

 

[Noaidi]

welcome to spain, too :/

Animal Cruelty in Spain

do these dogs look like they need more enemies?

I know this isn't exactly helpful, but I have a huge peeve regarding spain and animal abuse.

Dogs in Spain face barbaric hanging - Telegraph



and on La Gomera, where I spent a big chunk of my life, apparently old donkeys were just shoved down the hill to die. and poison for cats and dogs? part of life there, and not a muslim in sight.

This is the issue we should be addressing here. Why single out a few Muslims when Spain already has an atrocious animal welfare record?

 

[Godobeyer]

thank you MR Noaidi and not nom ,that what i talking about .
because this kind of subjects make/creat the hateful feels between the west and muslims , sepecialy when we have 0 credibility (no proofs)
to be annocet with you , this subject make me feel sad ,about the level of speech of hate, that became between some western people about muslims and islam .
and If i am an admin , i will not allowed these kind of subjects posted in the forum "in any religion " specialy which had no credibilty .

 

[outhouse]

thank you MR Noaidi and not nom ,that what i talking about .
because this kind of subjects make/creat the hateful feels between the west and muslims , sepecialy when we have 0 credibility (no proofs)
to be annocet with you , this subject make me feel sad ,about the level of speech of hate, that became between some western people about muslims and islam .
and If i am an admin , i will not allowed these kind of subjects posted in the forum "in any religion " specialy which had no credibilty .

we follow freedoms, freedoms of speech for one.

You dont think the fact that the west is at war with islamic terrorist has anything to do with a few feelings??


In the name of islam many barbaric things happens, by hiding the dirty laundry it never gets cleaned.

 

[Father Heathen]

ah the dogs of spain are more value than which in the china ?
this is realy hypocrisy thinking way

As has already been stated, the Chinese abuse of cats and dogs is also atrocious, but this thread is about the article presented in the OP. We're talking about people migrating to another country and trying to impose their culture upon it rather than integrating or at least respecting the local way of life. As horrible as the Chinese issue is, it's not relevant to the discussion.

 

[Godobeyer]

As has already been stated, the Chinese abuse of cats and dogs is also atrocious, but this thread is about the article presented in the OP. We're talking about people migrating to another country and trying to impose their culture upon it rather than integrating or at least respecting the local way of life. As horrible as the Chinese issue is, it's not relevant to the discussion.

I am agree with you , but as i said , this thread had no credibility " picture or video ..."
in other wise the respecting of local way of life , here "in Algeria" we have workers chiness eating dogs , who give me the right to choose their food ?
and we have christains carry cross in their necks and westerns tourist girls wears underwears in the beach and some of them making sex or kissing each other front in public area or wearing indecent clothing in the road , this is considerate as impose cultures ? or living cultures with each other ?

 

[Father Heathen]

I am agree with you , but as i said , this thread had no credibility " picture or video ..."
in other wise the respecting of local way of life , here "in Algeria" we have workers chiness eating dogs , who give me the right to choose their food ?
and we have christains carry cross in their necks and westerns tourist girls wears underwears in the beach and some of them making sex or kissing each other front in public area or wearing indecent clothing in the road , this is considerate as impose cultures ? or living cultures with each other ?

That's not comparable to demanding that locals no longer take their dogs out in public just because muslim immigrants are offended by them. It's outsiders wanting to limit what rights and freedoms the native population can have.

 

[Godobeyer]

we follow freedoms, freedoms of speech for one.

You dont think the fact that the west is at war with islamic terrorist has anything to do with a few feelings??


In the name of islam many barbaric things happens, by hiding the dirty laundry it never gets cleaned.

this my reply in other topic

to be logical and honest ,this topic politic /religious

acuatly you just said by your self "ex" that mean that era is over , annocely they found out them
selves wrong , don't be affraid it's new generation here , i hope it's will be new generation there , when the western gouverments stop involeted in muslims problems , and kill innocent people by the name of democraty or change the regime or for oil , or fighting terrorist , as afganistan , pakistan or iraq or libya or somalia , palestian or labanon , and syria and iran soon !!!!

killing innocent people make/give the terrorists a reason to continous their crimes by the name of Islam .

for exemple in afganistan , pakistan , and somalia
we have western army killing/bombing innocent, people and islamic groups killing innocent people
both are killing innocent where is the different ?

the same thing at palestin "Gaza" and lebanon
we have israeli army killing/bombing innocent people and islamic groups killing innocent people
both are killing innocent where is the different between them ?

libya and Iraq
we have western army killed innocent and occupate and seige for change dictator regime for oil

accuatly if west did stop involete in muslim countries this issue will never end ,we are against killing innocent people whatever the religion , the problem with the western armies which bombing and occupate innocents in some muslim countries for oil or for any reason .

lets be honest one time , and feel we each other .

 

[Godobeyer]

That's not comparable to demanding that locals no longer take their dogs out in public just because muslim immigrants are offended by them. It's outsiders wanting to limit what rights and freedoms the native population can have.

you don't give proofs "picture or video " you just copy/paste from site ? where is the credibility ?

 

[outhouse]

this my reply in other topic

this my reply in this topic

we follow freedoms, freedoms of speech for one.

You dont think the fact that the west is at war with islamic terrorist has anything to do with a few feelings??


In the name of islam many barbaric things happens, by hiding the dirty laundry it never gets cleaned.




There is a link in the beginning pointing to the facts. Deal with it. Do not deny it :areyoucra

 

[Bismillah]

says being against dogs is making stuff up which is contrary to the quran (and does have a good case, too): Quran-Islam.org - True Islam

hadiths to make you laugh and/or puke: Muttaqun OnLine - Dogs: According to Quran and Sunnah

It's true, this has some basis amongst Muslim scholars. The majority hold the view that the dog's saliva is najis or impure. Again, not generally the dog itself but only it's saliva although the Maliki (one of the four Sunni theological schools of thought) do not view dog saliva as impure. There is a further more extreme version who advocate the killing of all black dogs, these I have never met in real life nor have I personally witnessed or listened to a scholar advocate such (perhaps it's related more to the types of scholars I have a preference for).

If anyone is interested, here is an in-depth article relating to Dogs in the Islamic Tradition and Nature, I took some interesting parts out

"These various anti-dogs reports expressed culturally engrained social anxieties about aspects of nature that were seen as threatening or unpredictable. In addition, discourses on dogs played a symbolic role in the attempts of pre-modern societies to explore the boundaries that differentiated human beings from animals."

"Despite the attribution to the Prophet of a large number of traditions hostile to dogs, for a variety of reasons, many pre-modern Muslim scholars challenged this orientation. The Qur’an, the divine book of Islam, does not condemn dogs as impure or evil. In addition, a large number of early reports, probably reflecting historical practice, contradicted the dog-hostile traditions. For instance, several reports indicated that the Prophet’s young cousins, and some of the companions owned puppies.[10] Other reports indicated that the Prophet prayed while a dog played in the vicinity.[11] In addition, there is considerable historical evidence that dogs roamed freely in Medina and even entered the Prophet’s mosque.[12] A particularly interesting tradition attributed to the Prophet asserted that a prostitute, and in some versions, a sinning man, secured their places in Heaven by saving the life of a dog dying of thirst in the desert.[13]"

"Most jurists rejected the traditions mandating the killing of dogs as fabrications because, they reasoned, such behavior would be wasteful of life."

"Jurists, particularly from the Maliki school of thought, argued that everything found in nature is presumed to be pure unless proven otherwise, either through experience or text.[19] Ruling that the traditions mentioned above are not of sufficient reliability or authenticity so as to overcome the presumption of purity, they argued that dogs are pure animals. Accordingly, they maintained that dogs do not void a Muslim’s prayer or ritual purity."

http://www.scholarofthehouse.org/dinistrandna.html

Thus the idea of dogs being impure/pure is contested the idea of killing dogs is something else entirely that most scholars have ruled out. Furthermore, the idea of taking action and killing dogs who are the property of others is strictly impermissible and the fact that dogs roamed free in the city of Medina directly counteract any reasoning that would ban dogs from society. Thus I find these people to be beyond idiotic.

Furthermore, if you go to any Arab or South Asian country you will find that dogs are popular household pets.

 

[Godobeyer]

this my reply in this topic

we follow freedoms, freedoms of speech for one.

You dont think the fact that the west is at war with islamic terrorist has anything to do with a few feelings??


In the name of islam many barbaric things happens, by hiding the dirty laundry it never gets cleaned.




There is a link in the beginning pointing to the facts. Deal with it. Do not deny it :areyoucra

in the name of christainity many wars happened africa and asia were occuped by christains for many years . and now we have christains crimes against muslims countries for oil or change the regimes .

 

[Godobeyer]

btw , the two world wars happened by christains

 

[outhouse]

btw , the two world wars happened by christains

Horse pucky

that is your ignorance talking

 

[outhouse]

in the name of christainity many wars happened africa and asia were occuped by christains for many years . and now we have christains crimes against muslims countries for oil or change the regimes .

so we are going to switch blame or try and address the issue at hand


religions are not free from blame, none of them. Doesnt make killing dogs OK now does it

 

[not nom]

It's true, this has some basis amongst Muslim scholars. The majority hold the view that the dog's saliva is najis or impure. Again, not generally the dog itself but only it's saliva although the Maliki (one of the four Sunni theological schools of thought) do not view dog saliva as impure. There is a further more extreme version who advocate the killing of all black dogs, these I have never met in real life nor have I personally witnessed or listened to a scholar advocate such (perhaps it's related more to the types of scholars I have a preference for).

If anyone is interested, here is an in-depth article relating to Dogs in the Islamic Tradition and Nature, I took some interesting parts out “Dogs in the Islamic Tradition and Nature” (Article Included)

Thus the idea of dogs being impure/pure is contested the idea of killing dogs is something else entirely that most scholars have ruled out. Furthermore, the idea of taking action and killing dogs who are the property of others is strictly impermissible and the fact that dogs roamed free in the city of Medina directly counteract any reasoning that would ban dogs from society. Thus I find these people to be beyond idiotic.

Furthermore, if you go to any Arab or South Asian country you will find that dogs are popular household pets.

thanks!

:snoopy: <-- "I'm glad to hear that"

 

[not nom]

so we are going to switch blame or try and address the issue at hand

to me it's more likely that spain gave them the idea than the quran: when in rome, do as the romans do :/

 

[Antiochian]

This is the issue we should be addressing here. Why single out a few Muslims when Spain already has an atrocious animal welfare record?

That makes me sick. I think anyone of any religion who'd do these sorts of things to a dog or other animal is descpicable.

 

[Flankerl]

in the name of christainity many wars happened africa and asia were occuped by christains for many years . and now we have christains crimes against muslims countries for oil or change the regimes .

btw , the two world wars happened by christains

Well thank god that muslims never ever waged war against non-muslims in the last 1400 years.

I hear they took northern africa and iberia with love.