Muslims the least educated in the world?

[idav]

All groups have wars but few can even get in the ballpark of Christianity's successes.

Your using confirmation bias. These days voilence ensues more in areas which lack decent education making it easier to cling to literalist fanaticism which christains have proven they are not immune of.

 

[1robin]

Your using confirmation bias.

How do you mean that?

These days voilence ensues more in areas which lack decent education making it easier to cling to literalist fanaticism which christains have proven they are not immune of.

We are certainly not immune to evil but unlike others we seem to have many who have a great resistance to it. In the last hundred years the most advanced nations in human history have done everything short but annihilate the planet, but I agree that the disaffected are more prone to terroristic types of violence. In a world of plenty, ignorance leads to poverty, poverty to anger, anger to hate, hate to violence. I almost had a Yoda moment there. What ignorance almost never leads to is self recrimination. The poor (of which I am one) always blame the rich (which I do not).

 

[1robin]

To be fair I would love all my creations equally if i were god and I would rest assured that every human have the ability to withstand temptation by their own accord. Why should god prefer one region over another, one thoroughbred over another, that there is exactly what causes elitism and violent divisions.

The suggestion if you were Satan necessarily comes with the fact you are no longer you. But forget it, if Satan exists what is more logical for him to do. Attack his (even if unaware) followers of God's?

 

[idav]

How do you mean that?

Cause christains haven't been immune from what you were complaining about, yet claimed christains are somehow always in the better, more correct.

The suggestion if you were Satan necessarily comes with the fact you are no longer you. But forget it, if Satan exists what is more logical for him to do. Attack his (even if unaware) followers of God's?

The problem I have with that question is it seems to me that satan is trying harder for followers than god is. Why is that? Why is it easier to find the wrong religion then it is to find a true religion. Why isn't god being more vocal and why is satan the loudest? I can't buy that god isn't trying for followers if he exists and further it would make sense to me that non-violent religions are following more closely. The dharma religions get a pass before abrahamic religions do in my book.

 

[1robin]

Cause christains haven't been immune from what you were complaining about, yet claimed christains are somehow always in the better, more correct.

If the bible is true I would not expect Christianity to be immune to evil. I expect to find more than any other similar group exceptions to being under it's control. I find exactly that in massive abundance.

The problem I have with that question is it seems to me that satan is trying harder for followers than god is. Why is that? Why is it easier to find the wrong religion then it is to find a true religion. Why isn't god being more vocal and why is satan the loudest? I can't buy that god isn't trying for followers if he exists and further it would make sense to me that non-violent religions are following more closely. The dharma religions get a pass before abrahamic religions do in my book.

That is not what I was saying at all. I was saying his natural enemy would be those who held faith in the truth, not those lost in error. I expect to find truth in opposition to error. I expect to find Satan in opposition to God. I expect to find confrontation where I find opposition. The point is God's people will inevitably find themselves opposed and have to fight even from within. I expect and find exactly that.

 

[idav]

If the bible is true I would not expect Christianity to be immune to evil. I expect to find more than any other similar group exceptions to being under it's control. I find exactly that in massive abundance.

Again I find more exceptions in the Dharmic religions. They never burned people at the stake either.

That is not what I was saying at all. I was saying his natural enemy would be those who held faith in the truth, not those lost in error. I expect to find truth in opposition to error. I expect to find Satan in opposition to God. I expect to find confrontation where I find opposition. The point is God's people will inevitably find themselves opposed and have to fight even from within. I expect and find exactly that.

I am not sure I understand what your saying here. You see people fighting therefore someones right? Ok, but not with "Knowing" who is right. Satan is a deciever so people always "think" they have the truth but their actions speak louder than words. So with that back to the first couple of sentences in this post.

 

[1robin]

Again I find more exceptions in the Dharmic religions. They never burned people at the stake either.

As I said I expect to find evil in all groups. How many hospitals did Dharmic people build for others? Why have I never seen a Dharmic soup kitchen or one of their evangelists braving the wilds of Africa, or standing in the snow to spread the good news to even those that hate them? I have never heard of a Buddhist who died to save all men. Never seen a Buddhist 12 step program or a thousand other examples. Buddhism is more of a philosophy than a theology anyway. It was specifically designed to counter the failures of previous Hindu theology, and it was replaced by a quasi-faith designed to fix it's mistakes. Keep in mind these good things are not Christian exclusives but are realms dominated by Christians. BTW which verse did anyone get burned justly by anyway? Those who defy a faith do not represent that faith in their rebellious acts.

I am not sure I understand what your saying here. You see people fighting therefore someones right? Ok, but not with "Knowing" who is right. Satan is a deciever so people always "think" they have the truth but their actions speak louder than words. So with that back to the first couple of sentences in this post.

No, I expect to see those who are right involved in fights. Sometimes of their own devises but mostly imposed on them by others. Satan's character traits are no excuse to deny many can discover truth, but only that many will hate it.

 

[Harikrish]

There is a Utube video showing how the ISIS behead the Muslims they capture. They slowly decapitate their heads and you can hear the victim still screaming as his throat is slowly cut in a back and front motion. Then they go to the next victim and go through the same motion. All the while the badly decapitated victims are still screaming with their throats cut. And after the last one is killed. They used the decapitated heads to play football.

This is Islamic barbarism at its best. How much longer does the free world have put up with these barbarians? It will take years before the ISIS are done with all the Muslims they hate.

 

[Robert.Evans]

Does this lack of education promote violence and terrorism due to poverty associated with ignorance?

Does religious belief promote this lack of education?

OR does lack of education promote religious belief?


Muslim Statistics (Education and Employment) - WikiIslam)


Of the 1.4 billion Muslims 800 million are illiterate (6 out of 10 Muslims cannot read). In Christendom, adult literacy rate stands at 78 percent


40% of muslims can read

almost 80% of Christians can read


That is a two to one ratio.


The 57-member countries of the Organisation of Islamic Conference (OIC) have around 500 universities compared with more than 5,000 universities in the US and more than 8,000 in India.


Nearly half of all women in the Arab world are illiterate


Three-quarters of the 100 million people unable to read or write in the 21 Arab countries are aged between 15 and 45 years old, Alecso said in a statement.


Does this muslim ignorance breed terrorism???

You add this ignorance combined with the religions required fanaticism and fundamentalism, and the recipe for terrorism is obvious


Is it time for the world to address this issue and help educate these people because their own cultures do not promote education and knowledge at normal levels?

Can we even battle terrorism with education??

Or is it the West's foreign policies and bombing of innocent people? Perhaps doesn't help hey... educated or not.

 

[outhouse]

Or is it the West's foreign policies and bombing of innocent people?.

Much is residual back to after the war when lines dividing countries were made up with ignorance.

More muslim on muslin violence kills muslims then any western violence. It I snot even close so no, that is not a credible excuse.

 

[Harikrish]

Or is it the West's foreign policies and bombing of innocent people? Perhaps doesn't help hey... educated or not.

It is the Talibans in Pakistan and Afghanistan that are bombing the schools and killing and raping little girls. It is the Boko Haram kidnapping and raping school girls. But the ISIS are beheading Muslims in a hurry. Sounds like a multi-pronged attack by Islamists on Muslims. Must be an Islamic creed that only Muslims should kill Muslims. Education will not help to overturn their Islamic beliefs.

 

[idav]

Education will not help to overturn their Islamic beliefs.

It would if they wouldn't vehemently deny the education as being truth.

 

[outhouse]

It would if they wouldn't vehemently deny the education as being truth.

yes but that is all tied to their literalism

Stopping literalism unfortunately means tearing down islam at the roots and rebuilding a thousand years of perversion.

 

[1robin]

Or is it the West's foreign policies and bombing of innocent people? Perhaps doesn't help hey... educated or not.

No war is antiseptic. Muhammad never carried out a single one. We spend more money trying to avoid collateral damage than in any nation in history, and probably all of Islamic history combined. I know people we lost because our rules of engagement were so absurd that people would be shot before they could return fire. Collateral damage is not a western problem it is a universal one, but the intentional killing of civilians of the last few decades and more, even their own, is almost a uniquely Islamic problem.

 

[Harikrish]

yes but that is all tied to their literalism

Stopping literalism unfortunately means tearing down islam at the roots and rebuilding a thousand years of perversion.

Are Islamists showing more wisdom than we give them credit for because they have begun to tear down their own people and rebuilding a thousand years of perversion. Should the free world be helping them to speed up the process?

 

[Monk Of Reason]

That is certainly a reasonable question. I usually just adopt the violence done by Christians because I hold atheism, Islam, etc.. accountable for their actions but I want to at least make these points. If the bible is true:


1. I would expect it's followers to do unprecedented things (good ones) in unprecedented numbers. I think that is true of history.
2. I would expect it to have similar woes and make similar mistakes as the rest of the world but with the exceptions in exceptional quantity mentioned above. I believe we have just that.
3. That it could not be evaluated by those that defy it. How can murder be blamed a book that forbid it? The crusaders defied the bible, they did not obey it.
4. IOW despite having many of the same ills if you find many of the greatest exceptions as well in great quantity then you have what the bible predicts and Christianity has more of the best exceptions to the rule than you will ever require.
5. That if true it would attract the opposition of a lost world and even the opposition of lost members. I expect to find the truth confronted by it's enemy and using it's own people to do so. In conjunction with this I expect it's original scriptures to be free of the same errors and evils. IOW I expect both our imperfections and moral excellence and with biblical exceptionalism and consistency. I find them all.

But this falls apart when we see that historically and currently the more religious a country is, or to even specify it further, the more Christian it is does not indicate less crime or more morality. In fact I find that much of the morality I do have is in stark contradiction to the bible. For example I feel rape is wrong. Slavery is wrong exct exct. Those were discovered through secular values.

I don't blame Christianity for people's actions. I Just don't think that it has helped. I think bad people do bad things. Lets look at the real numbers and you will find that education and better living standards result in less crime and less "immoral" behavior.

Then I would expect Satanists not Christians to have the better historical virtues. I expect them both to have problems (Christianity is composed of failed members) but only Christianity has the massive positive record comparatively. I see Christian hospitals, Christian hunger efforts, Christian support groups for various problems, Christian missionaries serving their congregation in every possible way, the Christian revolution of modern science, etc...... I do not see many satanic versions of them.

BTW God is defined as Omni powerful and Omni moral. So why did Satan not write the world's best selling book, full of the greatest virtues possible.

In my personal opinion, Satanists do have better moral standpoints than Christianity. Significantly better than historical christians.

 

[outhouse]

Are Islamists showing more wisdom than we give them credit for because they have begun to tear down their own people and rebuilding a thousand years of perversion.

That Is the problem they are not.

They have no global organization, so they are running wild and unchecked.

 

[Harikrish]

That Is the problem they are not.

They have no global organization, so they are running wild and unchecked.

But the Islamists are killing more Muslims than people of other faiths. This shows they know who the enemy is.

 

[1robin]

But this falls apart when we see that historically and currently the more religious a country is, or to even specify it further, the more Christian it is does not indicate less crime or more morality. In fact I find that much of the morality I do have is in stark contradiction to the bible. For example I feel rape is wrong. Slavery is wrong exct exct. Those were discovered through secular values.

I agree and I am disappointed in the lack of moral separation we see in Christian demographics but I do not agree it is absent. But I was not making a point about the general arguments for God's existence. I was illustrating why violence is a double edged statistic concerning faith.

I don't blame Christianity for people's actions. I Just don't think that it has helped. I think bad people do bad things. Lets look at the real numbers and you will find that education and better living standards result in less crime and less "immoral" behavior.

I expect the average Christian to be little better than the average person, that is what I find (actually I expect a a little better on average but stats are close), the stat that makes the real difference in the exceptional record of exceptional Christians. I know of no similar demographics that has ever displayed as mush selfless Charity as Christianity buy with 2 billion of us a few ten thousand moral giants won't move stats too much. BTW I am being generous. I have seen stats that go from no average difference to massive difference in almost every category. The latter given by a [professor of pure mathematics at Princeton. I am just being lazy and not looking them up this go around.

In my personal opinion, Satanists do have better moral standpoints than Christianity. Significantly better than historical christians.

Now this one I can give little credence. Based on what did you conclude this? My life has been a walking testament to this being perfectly wrong and most Christians became Christians in some measure because of that same experience.

 

[outhouse]

But the Islamists are killing more Muslims than people of other faiths. This shows they know who the enemy is.

That's was so ignorant it must be POE.