Muslims, would this stop terrorist attacks from fundamentalists?

[LuisDantas]

It doesn't, but because people can turn very violent over many different ideologies, many of which aren't even religious, it seems folly to blame religion because - even though it may have some nasties contained within - violence is too normal throughout the human race to label such things as being confined to religion.

Far from it.

However, we do not refrain from blaming ideologies. Why would religion be an exception?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

However, we do not refrain from blaming ideologies. Why would religion be an exception?

I perhaps wasn't very clear. I don't blame religion as the root of the problem of Islamic terrorism. Of course the Quran has the potential to be read as such, as does the Bible, it also has the potential to not be read as commanding such violence. We can also track this down as a cultural issue, because Muslims who were born and raised in the West are largely and mostly like anyone else who is born and raised in the West. But even in the Middle East we see a great deal of Muslims who are the polar opposite of ISIS, and we know many do not support or stand with ISIS but are in a very bad situation and are afraid - for their lives - to stand up against it. Yes, they all want Sharia to rule, especially in places like Iran or Egypt, but they don't all agree on what exactly Sharia is, or who it should be applied to.
But, as I mentioned earlier, even if Islam wasn't at the center of this controversy, we'd probably still have strong anti-Amerian and anti-West sentiments because of the colonialism and imperialism, wars, appropriation of their resources by foreign entities, broken promises, political control - we may have still had 9/11, the only difference may have been is it may not have been a suicide mission. Pretty much, the American, English, and French governments along with Western corporations helped play a big role in creating the terrorists who are fighting against the world.

 

[Useless2015]

Why is he/she a fake Muslim and you are a real Muslim?

Because a true muslim does not think like that. You have to be deranged to support ISIS.

 

[LuisDantas]

Fair enough. And that brings to mind the matter of why it is so easy to slide.

 

[Pastek]

What is Daesh?

As it was explained it's the arab acronym for ISIS. Do you support them ?

 

[Jumi]

Heard the same thing before many time but associated with a religion other than Islam. So if a supreme being creates unbelievers of different religions to be "the fuel of the fire (hell)," then, ergo, that makes all people of this world nothing but that fuel. With that belief existing in more than one religion, there can be no people who exist except for unbelievers.

Humans are food for the Gods as someone I know said. Though I'm not sure if he meant it that way.

 

[Jumi]

You have to be deranged to support ISIS.

Yes. Agree here.

 

[outhouse]

Sad thing is your probably a typical muslim

what is wrong with slaughtering the infidels, gays etc?

yes we may kill Muslims who help the infidels invading islamic lands.

KILLING IS NOT ALWAYS THE BAD THING

support your filthy troop

I support my islamic troops to kill the invaders/ infidels

killing infidels is not a bad thing

it is their fault for being disbelievers.

Allah provides reward for killing the unbelievers.

fuel of the fire of hell

Violence begets violence, I'm sure you book teaches this somewhere

Very sad.

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

Because a true muslim does not think like that. You have to be deranged to support ISIS.

And an Islamic State fighter would say the same about you. Why should I take you seriously and not them? Just because you don't think a sane person would think in such doesn't mean it's un-Islamic. What if I'm offering a false dichotomy and you're both exemplars of parallel aspects of Islam?

Don't get me wrong; I'd prefer you to be the 'true' Muslim here; I don't doubt your intent. I'm just curious as to whether you've thought of these things.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Sad thing is your probably a typical muslim

If he is actually a Muslim, his views are a-typical for Muslims as a whole. Such extremist views are only upheld/condoned by a minority of Muslims. That is a fact. How can his views be "typical," when the more typical Muslim is your neighbor that doesn't wish violence or ill-will upon you. With such a statement, you pretty much lump every Muslim into one large pile labeled "extremist," and ignore the fact that if the typical Muslim were so, we would have some very serious problems going on in America right now with the Muslim population we have.

 

[outhouse]

Such extremist views are only upheld/condoned by a minority of Muslims.

how many wish for a caliphate?

This is typical for caliphate lovers who hate western values and freedom.

Nothing personal but no number is acceptable for this kind of hatred and violence.

But their reason are actually on a very long list.
Our support of their enemy Israel, in number one.
US Military Presence in Saudi Arabia.
Western “Imperialism” of the Past
The Response to 9/11.
“Crusader” Rhetoric.
“Jihad” Mentality
Greed and Covetousness.
American Arrogance.
America’s Promotion of Immorality.

How can his views be "typical," when the more typical Muslim is your neighbor that doesn't wish violence or ill-will upon you.

Most muslims don't live here. These here are the minority.

With such a statement, you pretty much lump every Muslim into one large pile labeled "extremist,"

Not at all. But I do recognize a problem when I see it.

typical Muslim is your neighbor that doesn't wish violence or ill-will upon you.

I know there are many good muslims, but he sad fact is the bad ones outweigh the value of the whole IMHO.

Do you even understand how many muslims are murdered muslims say in the last 40 years? let alone western hatred/

I would ask you to ask the residents of Santa Barbara how they feel about that.

 

[LuisDantas]

If he is actually a Muslim, his views are a-typical for Muslims as a whole.

Obviously, that is very much true. Which is why there is a Mosque allowed to exist within walking distance of my home without either them or me havimg plans to destroy the other.

That reasons why that is true are however much fewer and narrower than confort and reason would expect and hope for, though.

Such extremist views are only upheld/condoned by a minority of Muslims. That is a fact.

It is too bad that researchin the matter makes it such a less significant, less reassuring fact, though.

How can his views be "typical," when the more typical Muslim is your neighbor that doesn't wish violence or ill-will upon you. With such a statement, you pretty much lump every Muslim into one large pile labeled "extremist," and ignore the fact that if the typical Muslim were so, we would have some very serious problems going on in America right now with the Muslim population we have.

Yet there is plenty reason for worry.

 

[use_your_brain]

Sad thing is your probably a typical muslim

Violence begets violence, I'm sure you book teaches this somewhere

Very sad.

Quran advocates the violence towards disbelieves.

 

[outhouse]

Quran advocates the violence towards disbelieves.

Only when read in a perverted interpretation.

 

[use_your_brain]

As it was explained it's the arab acronym for ISIS. Do you support them ?

Allah and the Prophet support them.

 

[LuisDantas]

I almost wish I could believe you are being paid by the IDF or something.

Almost.

 

[use_your_brain]

I almost wish I could believe you are being paid by the IDF or something.

Almost.

Why do you have a weird thinking like that? what does the IDF have to do with this forum?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

This is typical for caliphate lovers who hate western values and freedom.

And those are not the majority of Muslims. Even many Muslims in the Middle East value freedom, they value women not being so sternly controlled, and they don't support the death penalty for every trivial offense under the sun. Some of them even let women serve with women in the armed forces. We can't lump all Muslims together, because even in the Middle East there are ones that value freedom and even the West.

Nothing personal but no number is acceptable for this kind of hatred and violence.

Then are we to fear the mentally ill and punish them all? About 20% of those with a mental illness act out on violent impulses. Are we to keep those with disorders such as schizophrenia or bipolar disorder constantly sedated or restrained? Should all psychopaths be imprisoned because a number of them do kill, and kill without remorse? Where are the protests and screams against pretty much every state in existence - they all are rife with histories, both ancient and recent, that show a horrible record in regards to human rights. Why do we not insist on much more strict driving laws and restrictions? The reality is, that as far as international and Muslim terrorists go, we're killing ourselves at a much higher and faster rate. Drunk drivers alone are getting ISIS' job done a helluva lot faster than ISIS, and the threat of an American mass-shooter is stealing the fear factor away from ISIS.

Yet there is plenty reason for worry.

I'm more worried about drink and irresponsible drivers. I'm more worried about going to certain cities where the amount of violence is scary. I'm more worried about all the stuff that is put in food, fed or injected into livestock, and the rest of the chemical diet that is the diet of the modern world. I'm more worried about getting caught up in a shooting, and some untrained vigilante ******* making things worse. I'm more worried about the question of will the terrorists even have much life to blow up because consumer culture and heavy reliance on fossil fuels wiped it out first.

 

[outhouse]

We can't lump all Muslims together

Yes we can.

Its the title that gest tricky.

Ill go for required fanaticism and fundamentalism.

Faith can be very dangerous

 

[LuisDantas]

Why do you have a weird thinking like that? what does the IDF have to do with this forum?

You are doing wonders for their reputation.