@stevecanuck
Hello, I hope you’re well and had a great weekend.
“Ayah 9:111“
For starters, is there anything in this verse that talks about forgiveness? If you see my comment, I was specifically talking about forgiveness and this ayah doesn’t answer that explicitly as you have failed to demonstrate.
Concerning Banu Quriza, according to this hadith, this breaking of the treaty wasn’t the first time they did something ill against the new Muslims in Madinah.
Sahih al-Bukhari 4028 - Military Expeditions led by the Prophet (pbuh) (Al-Maghaazi) - كتاب المغازى - Sunnah.com - Sayings and Teachings of Prophet Muhammad (صلى الله عليه و سلم)
“YOU accused me of partially quoting a verse. I explained that it only looks worse for Islam by examining the whole verse. You ignored that explanation.”
I believe the verse we were talking about was 2:98 and you just quoted “Allah is the enemy towards the disbelievers” making it seem like Allah took this position first, while the first part of the ayah you conveniently and unjustly neglected clearly states that those who do it first. The first word in that ayah is conditional.
The Quranic Arabic Corpus - Word by Word Grammar, Syntax and Morphology of the Holy Quran
Concerning 5:33, I don’t recall misquoting it, and I honestly can’t be bothered to go back and look through all the previous messages. (Not the friendliest platform). So if I did, (which is uncharacteristic of me) I apologize for the mistake and yes it would be hypocritical of me.
“You're ignoring the fact that 'fasad' was equated to making war in 5:32 and 5:33.”
What do you mean by equated to making war?
Concerning the Chinese government, I agree they will, but when have the Muslims ever threatened their government?
“Do you realize that you're telling the entire country of Pakistan that they're practising Islam incorrectly?”
I’m 100% sure that the entire country wasn't advocating her death. The media might make you think that way, but what I also do know for sure is that there isn’t a single country in the world that follows sharia law perfectly. Rather they pick and choose what suits them and then claim it to be sharia. Pakistan included.
“ Who are we to look to at for the truth - you, or millions of Pakistanis?”
Neither. The Quran and the Sunnah are how we find the truth in this regard. And there is nothing that tells us to kill the person that simply doesn’t believe. Or even for the one that makes disrespectful remarks towards God and the Prophets. As the Quran says in 4:140 and on top of that, we Muslims need to be tolerant and not go down to the level where we insult other ideologies or religions so that others out of their ignorance insult God. As the Quran clearly states in 6:108.
You want to make Islam look like it’s evil, but it's not. Rather the Muslim body is ignorant. So lost that they are having an identity crisis. They don’t know what Islam is nor do they know what Islam teaches. This is the truth of the situation. The reason for this is because the average folk doesn’t want to put in the work and read. Which is a common theme worldwide. People don’t care to do their research and just like to accept anything like sheep.
Concerning 33:39, The kafir’s genuine denial will only make them more odious to their Lord, meaning the more they disbelieve the more they’ll be repulsive towards God as time goes on. The word used here that’s translated into hate is ‘maqtan’ which comes from the root word “maqt” which means ‘something so despicable that people avoid mentioning it.”
I need to clarify though that when I say ‘hate’ is not befitting for God, I mean it. Our belief is that God can’t change, and when God says in the Quran that “God dislikes this action” it shouldn’t be taken literally. It should be taken in the sense that this action is so bad that even God “would” find it repugnant. A person that is insignificant as the human being compared to the Creator, couldn’t have an effect on the Creator to move Allah to ‘hate’. This is not logical.
So under this premise, if you want to have this ayah mean what you are saying then it can work only when you consider the true meaning of the word being used 'maqtan'. So it would be; Allah tells us that those who have actively hidden the truth and denied it, their constant denial will result in them not even being a thing worth mentioning. As Allah also tells us in the Quran that on the Day of Judgment, God won't even talk to certain people. (2:174)
Concerning 65:4. Just because he understood it that way, that doesn’t mean he held the view that Muslims can have sex with children. There's no proof of this. If you really want to show this, all you have to do is find me a contemporary accredited scholar that says this, but I know you won't because Islam doesn’t teach this. Mental and physical maturity needs to be put into consideration. Plus, the families need to give consent to such a marriage. If there’s a father that will agree to their pubescent daughter being married to a grown man, then maybe she needs to be taken away from him and his twisted mind.
