Waitasec, I wish you well and may you prosper in all that you do.
I believe I' ve exhausted all my explanations here in this thread.
Blessings, AJ
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My God Why have you forsaken me
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Waitasec, I wish you well and may you prosper in all that you do.
I believe I' ve exhausted all my explanations here in this thread.
Blessings, AJ
Jesus was citing a psalm.
He was fulfilling prohecy in His reciting it.
Crossing every "t" and dotting every "i".
Blessings AJ
waitasec
Veteran Member
so he wasn't forsaken?
waitasec
Veteran Member
:run: along now....
In Aramaic, the word "forsaken" can mean something entirely different. What Jesus said could be translated as "Why hast thou forsaken me?" but a more proper interpretation of the underlying aramaic is "Why haven't you killed these *********** executing me?"
waitasec
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a few pages back i pointed out in luke's account, jesus tells the guy hanging next to him that they will meet up in paradise later on that day...
can you imagine how thrilled he must have felt...only to hear jesus yell, 'why have you forsaken me?'
what a let down... :thud:
Renji
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Nope... Besides, he knew it before it would happen and even told his apostles about it (the crucifixion) .
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Renji
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Really? Your ******* interpretation contradicts what Jesus said then: "Father, forgive them for they know not of what they are doing." If he wants them to be grilled, why ask those people to be forgiven. hmmm, lame.
Jesus spoke modern English? Interesting.
Renji
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No. But there is an equivalent of that in his language. It wouldn't appear in the English version of the Bible if it hasn't been spoken by Jesus (in aramaic) and written by the writers of the gospel. Where's your common sense?
waitasec
Veteran Member
mark and matthew contradict luke...
luke's audience was a roman/greco audience
you don't find jesus saying...'i came for the lost sheep of israel' in luke...but you do in mark and matthew.
john was smoking the hookah laced with hasheesh
Renji
Well-Known Member
mark and matthew contradict luke...
luke's audience was a roman/greco audience
you don't find jesus saying...'i came for the lost sheep of israel' in luke...but you do in mark and matthew.
john was smoking the hookah laced with hasheesh
That's because they have different way of explaining things/ writing. You can even notice that by just reading the beginning of their gospels.:sleep:
waitasec
Veteran Member
maybe you should go back to bed?
just kidding.
in all seriousness lawrence, i am of the opinion that the gospels were for the purpose of propaganda each in their own way trying to reconcile why god allowed for the destruction of the temple.
Thief
Rogue Theologian
mark and matthew contradict luke...
luke's audience was a roman/greco audience
you don't find jesus saying...'i came for the lost sheep of israel' in luke...but you do in mark and matthew.
john was smoking the hookah laced with hasheesh
What?... smoking ain't allowed in heaven?
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muhammad_isa
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Sent "His Son" in your place? Surely that's irrational Roman / Greek dogma?
We can talk about God having .. sons, daughters, uncles, aunties, mothers, fathers .. relatively meaningless to me, I'm afraid.
What does that mean? Have you met "the Holy Spirit" ?
Based on your answer, I rightfully questioned your born again experience.
To have questioned my substitute (Jesus) for my death sentence is in not have understandings for the purpose of His comming.
And yes, a few posts back, I explained my experence when I encountered the presence of the Holy Spirit.
Blessings, AJ
Sometimes an audience might read into something you are quoting. Usually there would be a reason for quoting something. Did Jesus or the audience really care what the context of the Psalm really was? Really the psalm sounds like he would be praying for god to be near.
waitasec
Veteran Member
i think the selling point for quoting the psalm was that he "fulfilled" this particular prophecy...
this is what jesus says if you put mark and luke together...
"today you will be in paradise with me...
god why have you forsaken me...? into your hands I commit my spirit."
these gospels were not supposed to be read as 1 story but 4 different stories
putting that psalm is an indication that the audience mark was intended for was a jewish audience
underlining jesus' as the one who fulfilled the "prophecy"
muhammad_isa
Veteran Member
You're being a bit cryptic .. can you quote your post or explain again, please?