My son has joined islam

[xkatz]

However, when I pressed my son as to his beliefs regarding terrorism and suicide bombings, beheadings, etc...when these actions were SPECIFICALLY done by people claiming they do it for religious reasons...his response is not unlike SOME of what i have read here: "Those aren't real muslims(although the perpetrators claim islam)." or "They're doing it wrong." That troubles me.

Why should this trouble you? What should trouble you is that you seem to assume the worst of a religious group... Which you mainly here about via the media (which in itself, is also another form of propaganda). You should investigate Islam yourself and then decide if they are terrorists or not. Either way, most Muslims I know IRL lead normal lives like any other person.

 

[Shredmeister]

Shredmeister also to let you know, I trust you know this, FYI- trying to control your son's religious choices through such methods is illegal.

Actually, it is not illegal.

 

[Badran]

whereas Muhammad clearly did.

Its only clear in your eyes. You said yourself you just recently started to learn about Islam, so take it easy on the judgments.

 

[Rainbow Mage]

Actually, it is not illegal.

Yes it is. And I sincerely hope someone reports you to the proper authorities for it. Trying to obstruct anyone else's freedom of religion is illegal.

 

[Rainbow Mage]

Why does it bother you so much that your son has converted to Islam? Islam and Christianity have a lot in common, if you'd take the time to study Islam's teachings. You can't get much closer between two religions then Christianity and Islam.

 

[.lava]

But Jesus didn't kill these people, whereas Muhammad clearly did.

I am aware, and have mentioned in this thread, that there are some incredibly bad things done by people who are Christians. I am not ignorant to this fact.

However, when I pressed my son as to his beliefs regarding terrorism and suicide bombings, beheadings, etc...when these actions were SPECIFICALLY done by people claiming they do it for religious reasons...his response is not unlike SOME of what i have read here: "Those aren't real muslims(although the perpetrators claim islam)." or "They're doing it wrong." That troubles me.

i don't understand. English confuses me sometimes. are you saying your son is OK with suicide bombings and other acts of terrorism?

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[Shredmeister]

Why should this trouble you? What should trouble you is that you seem to assume the worst of a religious group... Which you mainly here about via the media (which in itself, is also another form of propaganda). You should investigate Islam yourself and then decide if they are terrorists or not. Either way, most Muslims I know IRL lead normal lives like any other person.

This troubles me because some of the heinous acts our media reports as committed by people claiming islam to be their religion, are disturbingly similar to threats he has made. I see this as a conduit to further MAJOR problems.

And while I agree certain media outlets(fox in particular) tend to sensationalize things to their own ends, there is also a lot of very accurate and informative news out there.

 

[Kathryn]

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But the thread wasn't about, "My son has serious behavior problems..." The thread was about, "My son has chosen Islam." If I were Shred, I'd be more worried about compulsive lying than Islam. Heck, I don't know, but I'll take a wild guess that the qur'an and the Imam would tell him Allah doesn't want him to lie.

Yeah, that's why I made the big deal about the lying. I agree.

 

[no-body]

Really the more you disprove the more he will want to join Islam. I've read through all these posts and what I see is a a control freak parent, it has nothing to do with religion, or anything else. If you want to dissuade him from joining this religion show interest in it yourself.

Look at yourself and see why your son want's to disrupt lives because of how you act.

 

[xkatz]

This troubles me because some of the heinous acts our media reports as committed by people claiming islam to be their religion, are disturbingly similar to threats he has made. I see this as a conduit to further MAJOR problems.

Do you mean threats he's making as a Muslim or threats he made having nothing to do w/ Islam?

And while I agree certain media outlets(fox in particular) tend to sensationalize things to their own ends, there is also a lot of very accurate and informative news out there.

As I said, don't rely on other people's words; find out for yourself if Islam is dangerous for your family and son or if it's all BS.

 

[Shredmeister]

Yeah, that's why I made the big deal about the lying. I agree.

I've been all over him about lying for YEARS! His mother is far more passive than I , and since he is with her far more he gets free reign. When I have discussed with her HIS issues and problems he has caused(for many years, not just this), she seems to have this "boys will be boys" attitude. She didn't even know he had been going to a mosque for 3-4 months, despite his NOT owning a car and having to rely on her or others for transportation. She tells me he has told her we was going to see a friend ro going to a movie, yet she never checked up on him.

The fact that many here think I am only concerned because he joined islam is indicative of the tunnel vision, in my opinion.

How should I share 17 years of my son's life in one post? Seriously. I came to a religion forum, and discussed RELIGION as it affects my son and me. Just trying to stay on topic.

 

[Shredmeister]

i don't understand. English confuses me sometimes. are you saying your son is OK with suicide bombings and other acts of terrorism?

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No.

Well......not as far as I know. And not yet, anyway.

 

[Tarheeler]

But Jesus didn't kill these people, whereas Muhammad clearly did.

I am aware, and have mentioned in this thread, that there are some incredibly bad things done by people who are Christians. I am not ignorant to this fact.

However, when I pressed my son as to his beliefs regarding terrorism and suicide bombings, beheadings, etc...when these actions were SPECIFICALLY done by people claiming they do it for religious reasons...his response is not unlike SOME of what i have read here: "Those aren't real muslims(although the perpetrators claim islam)." or "They're doing it wrong." That troubles me.

Why would that response bother you?

It's the same response many people give for the KKK, abortion clinic bombers, pedophiles, the Phelps family, and all the other wackos out there using religion to justify what they do. Just because someone claims religion is their reason or motivation does not make it true.

You keep saying that you admit Christians are responsible for terrible things as well. I'm curious - how do you explain those actions when they claim religious motivations? Are they true and upstanding Christians that represent the whole? Do you condemn the Christian religion because of those actions?

I understand that your son has some major problems, but it seems that you are focusing on a religion you don't like and using that to ostracize your son. From what you've posted, it seems that his problems were there long before he turned to Islam and are independent from his new views.

 

[.lava]

No.

Well......not as far as I know. And not yet, anyway.

so basically your son says those who's used as suicide bombers to kill a few dozens, so-called religious who terrorize societies are not trully following Islam and that actually concerns you? i am sorry for you. seems like Islam to you is a path that kills, destroys...etc. a very evil religion but your son says other wise as i would and that's a problem. geez..

May God help your son and lead him to be a better man in time

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[.lava]

IMO the truth is....you expect your son to act like he does not have his personal way of life, personal destiny, personal perception and he is not an individual, even when it comes to feelings and faith; things trully depend on somethings not that physical as if we could teach people how to feel. you expect him to act like according to your perception & understanding and ignore himself because you don't like his personal choices. you know what, those bigots who follow another human being blindly are more or less the kind you expect your son to be

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[Shredmeister]

Why would that response bother you?

It's the same response many people give for the KKK, abortion clinic bombers, pedophiles, the Phelps family, and all the other wackos out there using religion to justify what they do. Just because someone claims religion is their reason or motivation does not make it true.

You keep saying that you admit Christians are responsible for terrible things as well. I'm curious - how do you explain those actions when they claim religious motivations? Are they true and upstanding Christians that represent the whole? Do you condemn the Christian religion because of those actions?

I understand that your son has some major problems, but it seems that you are focusing on a religion you don't like and using that to ostracize your son. From what you've posted, it seems that his problems were there long before he turned to Islam and are independent from his new views.

I am aware my son's problems came about before this. He has shown a pattern of poor decision-making.

I am opposed to anyone citing religion as an excuse for some abhorrent sin.

Once again....I am addressing religion on here because this is a religion forum. You are not the first to ask that either. This shouldn't surprise you

 

[Shredmeister]

those bigots who follow another human being blindly are more or less the kind you expect your son to be

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He is blindly following now. He's just following what YOU believe.

 

[Tarheeler]

I am aware my son's problems came about before this. He has shown a pattern of poor decision-making.

I am opposed to anyone citing religion as an excuse for some abhorrent sin.

Once again....I am addressing religion on here because this is a religion forum. You are not the first to ask that either. This shouldn't surprise you

I understand why you're addressing religion; it's the unfounded animosity you seem to have for Islam that I find surprising.

And I asked you 3 specific questions. Please answer them. I want to know if you apply the same criticism to Christianity as you apply to Islam.

Coming here to find information, different points-of-view, or advice from Muslims are all understandable reasons to post you situation on a religious education forum. To come here to bash a religion is not.

 

[.lava]

He is blindly following now. He's just following what YOU believe.

then i hope Islam serves as an eye opener. don't you think you might be blindly acting like a Islamophobic?
he's following what i believe; what do you mean by that?

i am slightly getting confused. what's the problem exactly? is your concern Islam itself or not? would you be still freaking out if he chosed Buddhism for instance? are you afraid some bigots give your son wrong ideas about life and abuse him for their agenda?

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[.lava]

Shredmeister, i have an advice for you. considering all negative propaganda's going on on Western media about Islam, i do understand your fear. you have a teenage son and he may make decisions out of silly reasons...etc.

hear what i say, please. go to that mosque with your son and join whatever gathering he joins and listen to every single speech he listens and cares about. if you do that, at least you'd know what ideas and thoughts he's been taking and he's been giving by those Muslims. if you keep distance with your son and neglect him, you would not know what he learns and what attracts him to go there for months. be next to him. tell him you are curious to know what makes Islam special for him. be a friend. please don't hate Islam and Muslims. but it is your responsibility to watch over your son. so put some interest in what he does. in case, you'd find out speeches he listens to in that mosques are not peaceful, full of hatred towards other beliefs, dangerous ..etc. then take the action you are willing to take now without knowing what's going on exactly

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