"My Son Serves So You Can Be Free"

[kai]

But what is the point of believing that humans can't possibly learn? Even if it is true, maybe it will change. On a practical level, it is pointless to even consider that possibility.

They learn all the time i mean look at the advances in weaponry ,you may consider it pointless Luis but i think on a practical level its best to understand people can be dangerous.

 

[sandandfoam]

John Lennon got shot

:biglaugh:
You got me there!!
Has humanity improved? I believe so.
Give me the twenty first century over the ninteenth century any day of the week.

 

[LuisDantas]

They learn all the time i mean look at the advances in weaponry ,you may consider it pointless Luis but i think on a practical level its best to understand people can be dangerous.

Sometimes I just don't get it. Of course people can be dangerous. That is WHY we can't afford to be.

 

[kai]

:biglaugh:
You got me there!!
Has humanity improved? I believe so.
Give me the twenty first century over the ninteenth century any day of the week.

How so stephen as regards war and violence in general?

 

[kai]

Sometimes I just don't get it. Of course people can be dangerous. That is WHY we can't afford to be.

whether we can afford it, or not we just are. we are violent and destructive and wasteful.

i hope your right Luis and i am wrong but i wont be holding my breath

 

[LuisDantas]

whether we can afford it, or not we just are. we are violent and destructive and wasteful.

Matters none even if true (which I doubt). We must reject it anyway. There is simply no sane alternative.

i hope your right Luis and i am wrong but i wont be holding my breath

Neither will I, but that is besides the point.

 

[tomato1236]

Was the bumper sticker on a car from 1944?

 

[sandandfoam]

How so stephen as regards war and violence in general?

The twentieth century gave us Badshah Khan, Ghandi, Martin Luther King and many more.

I realize it also gave us Stalin, Hitler and Mao, but as previously stated I'm an optimist.

Our cultural environment is contested. In this instance you are advocating militarism and I am gainst it. Of course it is natural that everyone will eventually come to accept my pov as the correct one

 

[kai]

Matters none even if true (which I doubt). We must reject it anyway. There is simply no sane alternative.




Neither will I, but that is besides the point.

As a single entity the human race is i think quite insane

 

[kai]

The twentieth century gave us Badshah Khan, Ghandi, Martin Luther King and many more.

I realize it also gave us Stalin, Hitler and Mao, but as previously stated I'm an optimist.

Our cultural environment is contested. In this instance you are advocating militarism and I am gainst it. Of course it is natural that everyone will eventually come to accept my pov as the correct one

I am not advocating militarism just noting it as a fact, and ten thousand years of history coupled with todays paper tells me its not going anywhere soon. when you can give me a hamlet village or a town or a country a continent that's violence free. I will light the campfire and lead the song

 

[sandandfoam]

when you can give me a hamlet village or a town or a country a continent that's violence free. I will light the campfire and lead the song

What if I gave you a non-violent army?

 

[tomato1236]

It's not politically correct for me to post here and say anything against the service.

 

[kai]

What if I gave you a non-violent army?

ok and not the sally anne:no:

 

[kai]

It's not politically correct for me to post here and say anything against the service.

post what you want within the rules of course:

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[sandandfoam]

ok and not the sally anne:no:

Spark up that campfire my friend!
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[AntEmpire]

Okay i admit it. People in the service serve in order to kill the people who our government says need to die, in order for you to be free, and alive, and to make some money in order to keep you free and alive as well.

 

[LuisDantas]

Free from whom?

 

[kai]

What if I gave you a non-violent army?

ok and not the sally anne:no:

Spark up that campfire my friend!
Khudai Khidmatgar - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Army you said an Army thats a movement. no no no my tinder is dry

 

[Mr Spinkles]

Military service and collective defense, of course, is an important part of any society. Nothing about this fact suggests that U.S. participation in Iraq and Afghanistan is "keeping us free".

How about freedom from foreign entanglements?
How about freedom from the hatred and terrorism of the people we agitate?
How about freedom from a burdensome military debt?

I could use a bit more freedom in those regards.

 

[Magic Man]

Yesterday, I passed a car on the road with a bumper sticker that said, "My Son Serves So You Can Be Free".

I thought there were a number of things wrong with that sticker. For instance, in an age when the US is more likely to send soldiers into combat in order to secure an economic empire, rather than to destroy any existential threat to the US, just how accurate is it to say "My son serves so you can be free"? Wouldn't it be somewhat more accurate to say, "My son serves so Haliburton can make a profit"?

In other words, while the average service member might be of the opinion he or she is serving their country, aren't they at least as much serving the interests of war profiteers these days?

What do you think?

Yeah, that's a pet peeve of mine. Our military doesn't fight these days to defend our freedom; they fight to make money for people like Haliburton, and for the agendas of our leaders. I still respect the soldiers for doing what they do. But this sort of thing is just something that sounds good, nothing more.