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Need advice... Clashing feelings about faiths!

dynavert2012

Active Member
I'd love it if I could soften the tentions between Islam and people that was something I wanted... But I think part of why I have so much doubts is that I probably would go through hardships to keep my faith. I'm not a strong person. I crumble and become depressed, even if you are convinced you have God on your side, you still have to go through life... :(

i think this is the key, maybe i'm mistaken but it seems this is the problem, i don't know what types of doubts you have but let's assume if your husband is Muslim and you live in an Islamic community, will your problems be solved?
 

illykitty

RF's pet cat
i think this is the key, maybe i'm mistaken but it seems this is the problem, i don't know what types of doubts you have but let's assume if your husband is Muslim and you live in an Islamic community, will your problems be solved?

Maybe it would. Either way, it's really far from the situation I'm in.
 

Breathe

Hostis humani generis
Some religions I read about but were closed of to me, like Judaism or Shinto which feels very ethnocentric. Sikhism is very interesting but I've encountered a big language barrier at the Gurdwara but honestly, I have yet to give it a proper try.
I can see the issue with both Judaism and Shinto, though I know both are welcoming of people who wish to join; I've actually emailed the first white Shinto priest of the Shinto Shrine of America, and I've met a few; usually otakus. :D

For something 'Shinto-like', but more open, there's Tenrikyo, and Konkokyo too. Did you ever look at Hinduism?

And with Sikhism, try going to a gurdwārā on a Sunday if possible: much, much less of a language barrier, since there will be more people there who can speak English, as opposed to just dropping in randomly, when it's usually elderly or aunties and uncles. I speak from experience. :)
 

bp789

Member
Some religions I read about but were closed of to me, like Judaism

That actually seems surprising to me. I understand it can be somewhat ethnocentric because of how being Jewish is both a religion and ethnicity, but how is Judaism that closed off? I'd assume it would be more approachable since most western Jews speak English with each other compared to followers of Shinto, Hinduism, or Sikhism.
 

Treks

Well-Known Member
I haven't had the occasion to go to a mosque but I have contact with some sisters in the UK through the internet... I think Islam has a lot more support groups than Sikhi, for example, Solace UK helps with all sorts of issues women face in life and/or Islam. They give comfort and try to help you in any way they can find.

I think this is because there are so many more Muslims and not so many Sikhs yet. But I hear you concerns.

On the bolded, that's what happens to me with Islam. It's not so much with cultural barrier (if I were Sikhi though that would be an issue) but with certain things that make me question why am I doing this? Since there's no mosque where I live I cannot experience if there's any cultural barrier

I think I understand what you're saying and have experienced a similar thing. The "Why am I doing this?" factor when you're the only person who knows what you're doing. You have no community to care about what you do or what you wear, your family doesn't care for your religion so you can't celebrate holidays with them, for me the issue of keeping my hair came into the mix, and trying my hardest to look like a Sikh but not being recognised by other Sikhs as one - so why am I doing all this stuff if I'm the only one whose getting it? It feels like you're doing all this stuff for no reason.

But the reason comes down to you, God and your relationship with It. That's much easier said than done, I know.

But for you, can you pinpoint what the certain things are that make you question?

I'd love it if I could soften the tentions between Islam and people that was something I wanted... But I think part of why I have so much doubts is that I probably would go through hardships to keep my faith. I'm not a strong person. I crumble and become depressed, even if you are convinced you have God on your side, you still have to go through life... :(

I think we all need time to make a firm foundation of faith, you need to connect at your core to God first, realise that no matter what you think, how you feel, or how rough life gets, you are ALWAYS in the presence of God. Always. Find that one thing that connects you to God and when you spit the dummy over some issue in religion, or when life gets rough and you don't have room in your brain for religion, come back to that core principle and hold on until you're in a better place. For those lucky few their entire religion is their core, in times of crisis nothing works better for them than following the structure of their religion. For us who lack that routine and deep connection to religion (how can it come about unless it comes from childhood or many years of devoted service?) we have to hold on to something more basic I think.

I wonder if maybe I'm looking for something that doesn't exist or I maybe weak. Either way I don't know what to do.

I wouldn't say you're weak, you're tackling the biggest puzzle you'll have in your whole life!

If I really knew how to help you I'd apply it to my own life. I think you need to narrow down your reasons for feeling off towards Islam, pinpoint the issues that worry you, and investigate them. The only way to get through barriers sometimes is to dismantle them.
 

Maija

Active Member
If I really knew how to help you I'd apply it to my own life. I think you need to narrow down your reasons for feeling off towards Islam, pinpoint the issues that worry you, and investigate them. The only way to get through barriers sometimes is to dismantle them.

This seems the most logical.

I tried salah, the prayers, and even tried the hijab! It's a complete departure from my lifestyle here in the UK where no one I know is Muslim. Heck, I even secretly went against my family, I had to keep it from them because most are intolerant and one is downright phobic of anything that isn't the "norm".

I feel for you, it seems you were so intrigued and attracted to this faith that was so alien from what you were doing.

Know that almost ANY faith that you try is going to is going to have elements of adopting new habits, it's great when these habits just fall into place but sometimes they don't. As with salah and hijab these were so different than what I was doing. Each time, I must admit I loved the feeling of hijab, nothing compared to this feeling of femininity and duty I fulfilled when covering my awrah. However, it's not always that easy, imagine someone converting to a religion where they must change their diet, be vegetarian or eat like a Jain or eat halal or kosher, these are things that should not stop you from practicing your faith of choice, but rather they are small steps you take, do not tackle all at once regardless of what path you go down.

And certainly do not feel defeated just because you have not found the right faith, many search for years, abandon and then return to their religion of choice, in the end all are winners.

It was things in Islam that people told me to just accept that bothered me. Even if I understood it intellectually, like why X was authorised by Allah, it didnt feel right and no one told me how to deal with those feelings.

The answer to dealing with these things would be to investigate both internally and within the faith. Realize that just because you choose a religious label does not mean you will understand all parts of the faith within a short time. There are many within a faith who will not see eye to eye on some things i.e. abortion/afterlife/lifestyle choices and etc and their stances on these things may change as they progress in faith, but it should not deter them from accepting other principles within the faith they admire.

Most importantly, remember that you may compromise your own personal choice and freedom in choosing a religion that sits well with each one of your family members, friends and spouse. This is not to say you need to forsake relationships, but it's OK for family members to have pointed opinions on what you do. When people are intolerant, there's much to be intolerant about. You're a grown up, you don't need approval to make life changes. The more you worry about how they will take certain changes, the more you accommodate their control or direction of your spiritual life...

sorry to rant ... sorry anything sounded preachy, really not meaning to be that way..just very quickly typed.

only ever love for you kitty!
 

illykitty

RF's pet cat
I'm sort of wondering if this whole (religious) search is my fault. By that, I mean not finding anything that I stick to so far... Perhaps I don't really love God all that much or at least not enough?

IDK! =_=' I need to try to connect to the Creator and dig deep.
 

illykitty

RF's pet cat
I feel it's just down to not feeling anything, from or towards any kind of deity. How can someone continue anything without feedback, you know? :p

IDK at the moment I'm not really thinking about it much. I'm just really lost and lonely.
 

illykitty

RF's pet cat
Try spiritual hopping. No spiritual food makes you feel spiritually hungry. :)

I'll try... I'm wondering sometimes if it's not straight in my face and I'm missing something. Or that I'm doing something wrong. Seems so simple to other people, like it's obvious. A book falling on their head, or coming across something over and over again.

I wish it was this simple for me... Or maybe I'm denying it? I don't know. There may have been instances of it happening but I'm not sure.
 

Breathe

Hostis humani generis
I'll try... I'm wondering sometimes if it's not straight in my face and I'm missing something. Or that I'm doing something wrong. Seems so simple to other people, like it's obvious. A book falling on their head, or coming across something over and over again.

I wish it was this simple for me... Or maybe I'm denying it? I don't know. There may have been instances of it happening but I'm not sure.
Keep your eyes open; things could be happening without you realizing. They have been for me. I just never notice. :D
 

illykitty

RF's pet cat
Keep your eyes open; things could be happening without you realizing. They have been for me. I just never notice. :D

Thing is I'm never sure if it's a coincidence, too subtle, if it's my imagination or a genuine sign. It's never seemed very clear to me. :facepalm:
 

Breathe

Hostis humani generis
Thing is I'm never sure if it's a coincidence, too subtle, if it's my imagination or a genuine sign. It's never seemed very clear to me. :facepalm:
I totally know how you feel. It can be really hard to accept them. But still, try keeping an eye out on for them, and record them. You may see a general pattern. :)

And, even if it was your imagination, isn't your imagination telling you that there's a few faiths you're immediately drawn to by attributing them to whichever religion you think of at the time? :)
 

illykitty

RF's pet cat
Well at the moment I'm a little intrigued by Paganism or Neo-Paganism, not sure why, feels like a pull. I just don't really know where to start, but I have a few kindle books that are half read.
 

idea

Question Everything
Finding the right faith isn't a matter of finding what matches your personality the best, or finding what makes you the most comfortable, it's about finding the truth (which is often not comfortable, or personality matching). The truth is written on our conscience - that quiet voice within that we often fight against, the voice that, deep down, we know is right... (you know, that voice that sounds a little like your parents, and that you resist following as we all sometimes don't want to listen to the nagging voice of our parents) Embrace your own conscience, and it will lead you into truth.
 

illykitty

RF's pet cat
Embrace your own conscience, and it will lead you into truth.

What if my conscience tells me something that, for example, monotheistic faiths are against? For example, I have nothing against LGBTs and because of that, it was something that bothered me deep inside about Islam.

Another example, eternal hell is another thing that bothers my conscience. It's not logical, not merciful, not fair or just (even a lifetime of crimes doesn't deserve eternal torture).

Is this conscience the truth if it tells someone something different from another's?
 

Breathe

Hostis humani generis
What if my conscience tells me something that, for example, monotheistic faiths are against? For example, I have nothing against LGBTs and because of that, it was something that bothered me deep inside about Islam.

Another example, eternal hell is another thing that bothers my conscience. It's not logical, not merciful, not fair or just (even a lifetime of crimes doesn't deserve eternal torture).

Is this conscience the truth if it tells someone something different from another's?
What about UU Liberal Islam? ;)

But I know entirely what you mean.
 

FearGod

Freedom Of Mind
Well at the moment I'm a little intrigued by Paganism or Neo-Paganism, not sure why, feels like a pull. I just don't really know where to start, but I have a few kindle books that are half read.

Bow to idols and stone.:shrug:
which points that had pulled you to Paganism ?
 
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