Monotheist 101
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I thought it would be as simple as saying there is no God..and basically living your life based on that belief..without the extra baggage and limits set by religion..
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Need advice... Clashing feelings about faiths!
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I thought it would be as simple as saying there is no God..and basically living your life based on that belief..without the extra baggage and limits set by religion..
illykitty
RF's pet cat
Thanks for understanding. I tried Islam, I really did more times than posted in this thread but even if I understood something some part of me deep inside really didn't agree with it. And it's not just my human perspective of what morals are but also what I think god is like.
Perhaps I'm wrong but I'm honestly trying hard to find what I honestly believe in and I cannot make myself believe in Islam, it doesn't work that way. Well all I can say if I'm wrong hopefully Allah sees I'm honest in my search and intentions. I don't think that it would go down well if someone followed Islam but didn't believe in it. You can't fool god!
Try being an atheist for a while..see if that feels comfortable...
I was for some time, in my teens (you know angry rebel phase) but I seriously can't be one, nor even an agnostic... My belief in something greater is quite strong, but I'll never claim to be right. I suppose I leave a little space for doubt because I'm not all knowing!
ron4711
Member
Being something is not the same as saying you are something. You can say you are happy and people will even believe you, but that does not mean you are truly happy. And many atheists do not claim there is no god, just that they do not see evidence for one.
Monotheist 101
Well-Known Member
I think that is what any faith should be based on..not flaunting our beliefs and proving to others that our Path is the Only Path..Allah is the All Seer, this is another topic I have differences with majority of Muslims on..
IMO I dont have to grow a beard and hate dogs to be a Muslim..I have to try and understand the reality of God to the best of my intellect but keeping in mind that I dont forget the most important of things..being good to others, acting morally, not hating anyone, the small things that are the foundation of any religion. I believe if a belief in God can be manipulated to stir hatred towards disbelievers/innocents (God never specified who that is among us) than that belief was based on a faulty interpretation of Gods words and is the fault of the interpreter not God, God is perfect..
Monotheist 101
Well-Known Member
I dont see scientific evidence, in true sense of the term either..does that make me an Athiest?
:no:
I am at peace with having a belief that does not need proof..I am open to the spiritual side of life..and experienced many things that confirm my faith of the Unseen..I wouldnt go far enough to say that I have experienced God tho..I have expeirenced parts of his creation that no scientist till the end of time will be able to prove with the use of the scientific method..
Im not atheist..because I think this life is too short to be missing out on being spiritual(even if its fantasy, I love fantasy
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ron4711
Member
Im not atheist..because I think this life is too short to be missing out on being spiritual(even if its fantasy, I love fantasy
I love fantasy as well but I know where the border lies for me between fantasy and reality.
As for religion, I was raised a Christian and the teachings were just too inconsistent with reality for me to believe them any longer. That's about as nicely as I care to put it
So I am an atheist because life is too short to be living out somebody else's fantasies.
dynavert2012
Active Member
chinu
chinu
Birth in a muslim family, i think ?
dynavert2012
Active Member
she's the only who could answer
illykitty
RF's pet cat
I'm not sure what you're asking, but nothing forces me to be a Muslim. I tried it out because it seemed like it was the truth at the time.
I felt that reading about something isn't a good way to judge a religion and that trying it out was needed... And I felt a pull towards Islam more than once.
I'm from a non-religious family. I don't think Islam is for me but I still believe in God.
FearGod
Freedom Of Mind
What is your relation towards god.
Do you mean to say that you feel he does exist and thats all and you don't have to do anything else.
Like saying my religion is "i believe he does exist"
So is your choice now a believing without submission.
dynavert2012
Active Member
i meant what's pulling you to it, so do you try other religions? if yes why you left it too?
ron4711
Member
Picking a religion is not like shopping for a new car. There you compare features and choose one that fits your lifestyle.
With a belief you are either born into it (indoctrinated) or you find something that is convincing. Obviously you have not been convinced.
I wonder what you are seeking, someone to tell you how and what to believe or some belief that fits what you think and believe.
illykitty
RF's pet cat
I don't know, my thought is that god wouldn't punish someone who was good but doesn't do anything. I want to try to find a path to get closer to god.
Nope I'm seeking a belief that mostly makes sense, sounds truthful, makes me closer to god and has some answers for my questions.
And about the first line, well plenty on the forums were advising just that. Asking me what I believe and finding something that fits. But even so, I'm not sure where you got the idea of me wanting to fit it to my lifestyle.
I tried salah, the prayers, and even tried the hijab! It's a complete departure from my lifestyle here in the UK where no one I know is Muslim. Heck, I even secretly went against my family, I had to keep it from them because most are intolerant and one is downright phobic of anything that isn't the "norm".
It was things in Islam that people told me to just accept that bothered me. Even if I understood it intellectually, like why X was authorised by Allah, it didnt feel right and no one told me how to deal with those feelings.
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illykitty
RF's pet cat
Christianity and Buddhism but in the end I did not agree with them. I don't believe in the trinity, the bible is too contradicting and with Buddhism, I do not agree with there being no soul and the concept of rebirth. Also no creator god mentioned.
Some religions I read about but were closed of to me, like Judaism or Shinto which feels very ethnocentric. Sikhism is very interesting but I've encountered a big language barrier at the Gurdwara but honestly, I have yet to give it a proper try.
With Islam, I was so convinced about it but a few things made me doubt and the doubts got stronger until I didn't feel like Islam was the way anymore.
dynavert2012
Active Member
all of us get some doubts in our beliefs cuz of some personal occasions like child's death then we asked why a merciful god does something like that and breaks his parents hearts, and yes it puts doubts in some people's heart but by studying you find that it's good for them and it's not a pure evil as Allah is buliding a house for them in the paradise and this kid will take their hands in to that house
i can say that i got many doubts in Islam but i don't leave Islam for it as i have many reasons and evidences that it's the truth but i was seeking an answer for them and snot stop praying for Allah to solve them for me and alhamdulilah i got my answers
by the way i advice instead of leaving it, put your doubts in the islam DIR and hopefully it would be answered
FearGod
Freedom Of Mind
Wish you good luck in your next choice.
Treks
Well-Known Member
Illykitty ji, did you find a similar language barrier at the Mosque? If not, what did they do differently to the Gurdwara?
The language and cultural barrier drives me away from Sikhi on a regular basis but I always come crawling back wishing I'd never had a tantrum and turned my back on it in the first place. I really want to do something to try and soften the barriers to Sikhi (for myself first, then hopefully others), even if that just means navigating what already exists and presenting it in an easy to find format.
So I'm interested in your experiences if you care to share.
Good luck with your spiritual seeking. Speaking of which, have you taken the Beliefnet Belief-O-Matic? Is so, what were your results?
The language and cultural barrier drives me away from Sikhi on a regular basis but I always come crawling back wishing I'd never had a tantrum and turned my back on it in the first place. I really want to do something to try and soften the barriers to Sikhi (for myself first, then hopefully others), even if that just means navigating what already exists and presenting it in an easy to find format.
So I'm interested in your experiences if you care to share.
Good luck with your spiritual seeking. Speaking of which, have you taken the Beliefnet Belief-O-Matic? Is so, what were your results?
illykitty
RF's pet cat
I haven't had the occasion to go to a mosque but I have contact with some sisters in the UK through the internet... I think Islam has a lot more support groups than Sikhi, for example, Solace UK helps with all sorts of issues women face in life and/or Islam. They give comfort and try to help you in any way they can find.
On the bolded, that's what happens to me with Islam. It's not so much with cultural barrier (if I were Sikhi though that would be an issue) but with certain things that make me question why am I doing this? Since there's no mosque where I live I cannot experience if there's any cultural barrier and honestly, I'm too shy to ask my husband to drive me to one. Like I mentionned before. he doesn't like religion and hates driving on top of that. AND I already feel like I'm bothering him enough as it is. UGH!
I'd love it if I could soften the tentions between Islam and people that was something I wanted... But I think part of why I have so much doubts is that I probably would go through hardships to keep my faith. I'm not a strong person. I crumble and become depressed, even if you are convinced you have God on your side, you still have to go through life...
I either have Islam or Sikh as a result, depending on which theological answers I give, because I don't find the Islamic god to be any issues nor is the Sikh one. I answer the same for the social issues part of the questions.
I wonder if maybe I'm looking for something that doesn't exist or I maybe weak. Either way I don't know what to do.
ron4711
Member
I was talking about car shopping and how you buy a car that fits your lifestyle.
But if a religion or belief does not feel right it is probably for one of several reasons. There is something you are misunderstanding or it is wrong for you. I suspect that it is wrong for you and you may want to search for a reason it is wrong, not just end with a feeling.