Negotiators release $118 billion border bill as GOP leaders call it dead in the House

[fantome profane]

How does Biden "own it"? The problems did not start under Biden, they started under Trump. Biden did not write any of the policies that caused this, Trump may have, I won't say that he did or didn't. And legally Biden could not do anything.

Why do Republicans try to claim that this is a country of laws, except when the laws go against their personal beleifs.

As far as the election, yes people are stupid and many on the right will foolishly blame Biden for this failure. Luckily Trump is an idiot. He has already bragged in speeches that he managed to prevent this act from passing. He lied about it of course, but in commercials they can focus on him claiming that he was the one that kept the borders open.

We need to be fair about this. The problem did not start under Biden and it did not start under Trump. It has be going on much longer than that.

(I think it started around 1875)

 

[Subduction Zone]

We need to be fair about this. The problem did not start under Biden and it did not start under Trump. It has be going on much longer than that.

(I think it started around 1875)

I was talking about the recent changes and surge. I posted a link and a graph yesterday that showed how migrants changed from mostly single people, usually men looking for work, to entire families under Trump. Again, that change was probably not his fault. There was no way that it was Biden's fault. It is the number of refugees, not migrant workers that is causing this crisis. And by current law the President is pretty much powerless against it. Once a refugee is here they only need to turn themselves in to start the process to determine if they are proper asylees or not. That process takes months to years now and a good part of the funds were intended to speed up that process.

EDIT:

Southwest border apprehensions more than doubled in 2019, driven by increase in families

www.pewresearch.org

 

[Twilight Hue]

How does Biden "own it"? The problems did not start under Biden, they started under Trump. Biden did not write any of the policies that caused this, Trump may have, I won't say that he did or didn't. And legally Biden could not do anything.

Why do Republicans try to claim that this is a country of laws, except when the laws go against their personal beleifs.

As far as the election, yes people are stupid and many on the right will foolishly blame Biden for this failure. Luckily Trump is an idiot. He has already bragged in speeches that he managed to prevent this act from passing. He lied about it of course, but in commercials they can focus on him claiming that he was the one that kept the borders open.

No Trump had the border secure. it's Biden who destroyed it, and egged all these foreigners to come to the Border , and now he refuses to even control it because wants it this way.

So yea Biden owns it, he owns the problems he caused because he's supposed to be the one in charge.

Trump had it under control before this goof eliminated every sensible policy of Trump's that had things under control.

Blaming any of this on Trump is absolutely laughable.

 

[Subduction Zone]

No Trump had the border secure. it's Biden who destroyed it, and egged all these foreigners to come to the Border , and now he refuses to even control it because wants it this way.

So yea Biden owns it, he owns the problems he caused because he's supposed to be the one in charge.

Trump had it under control before this goof eliminated every sensible policy of Trump's that had things under control.

Blaming any of this on Trump is absolutely laughable.

Once again the evidence shows that not to be the case. Did you check out the article that I linked?

 

[Twilight Hue]

He keeps urging Congress to pass the bill but .... still waiting .... Unfortunately, the Republicans have bowed to Dear Leader and decided that voting for the bill would make Biden look good and we can't have that so .... still waiting ....

We all know that Biden never needed a bill in the first place.

All that pork that has nothing to do with the border.

Democrats never wanted that bill to pass in the first place. You know it, I know it, everyone knows it.

 

[wellwisher]

No Trump had the border secure. it's Biden who destroyed it, and egged all these foreigners to come to the Border , and now he refuses to even control it because wants it this way.

So yea Biden owns it, he owns the problems he caused because he's supposed to be the one in charge.

Trump had it under control before this goof eliminated every sensible policy of Trump's that had things under control.

Blaming any of this on Trump is absolutely laughable.

The latest border deal, that the Republicans did into endorse, was designed as a political tool for the Democrats to spread the blame away from Biden and themselves.The problem was the deal did not try to solve the problem, but was designed to finance the Democrat goals. Trump saw this scam and he did not take the bait. Let the Democrat own up. The Republican deal was to fix the border and not finance the Democrat disaster.

The biggest problem, which was Unconstitutional is the Democrat border policies, did not legally have the power of the purse. However, they have left behind a huge credit card debt, and tax on the American Citizens, due to the amount of resources forced onto system, by the overwhelming illegal immigration. Just NYC is projected to end up with over $12billion in immigration debt. These agencies and Biden do not have Constitutional authority to impose this debt. That is up to Congress. This is stolen credit card debt.

The illegal situation, that Biden, the Democrats and the above the law Agencies have created, is similar to you working for a company. They authoritie you to use the company business credit card, to buy gas for the company car. You are authorized to do that; your budget. However , besides the gas, you take it on yourself to buy a new wardrobe and a vacation package at an inclusive beach resort. This huge extra debt on the company card was not authorized; all the extra costs of the bad policies for illegal immigration.

This is stealing, since only Congress can authorize debt or spend money. In the business credit card example, you did not ask the boss to add all the extra but did this in an underhanded way. Biden cannot use the Agencies to steal for him, with estimates over $100B in unauthorized debt, stolen by the Biden, and his agency henchmen like Mayorkas. How will they pay that back since Congress did not approve their scam? Do we dock the Agencies involved? Do we pay those involved, to break rocks in prison? A National debt scam is revealed.

What has happened in the past, is Agency henchmen steal money on the company card card and then Congress payoff the stolen money, later, which was not authorized. This means there was skim along the way, since this was not budgeted legally, on paper. The Republicans have a chance to hold some deep state Agencies accountable, and use this template to audit the rest of the Deep state, and all those who were involved in this and past crimes against the Constitution. Thees people can payoff their national debt. We know the superrich are involved and now we have a way to tax some of the rich. it is not a tax but a forced return of stolen property.

All the lock step Democrats have been pushing this unauthorized debt on the tax payer credit card, via Biden and his Agency goons. We may have to dock all their pays and even look into their personal finances, and include that for repayment to the tax payers; shift the debt to those who OK'd the credit card scam without Congressional authorization.

 

[JIMMY12345]

Negotiators release $118 billion border bill as GOP leaders call it dead in the House​

• Just over $20 billion for border provision, including expansions to existing policies and new policies. That includes $650 million for the border wall, approximately $4 billion to hire new asylum officers and additional funds to provide counsel for unaccompanied children.
• $60.06 in security aid for Ukraine.
• $14.1 billion in aid for Israel.
• $10 billion in humanitarian assistance for civilians in Gaza, the West Bank, Ukraine, and "other populations caught in conflict zones."
• $2.33 billion for refugees from the war in Ukraine.
• $4.83 billion for allies to "deter aggression by the Chinese government" in the Indo-Pacific region.

The proposal installs several tools to address the border, including: requiring the president shut down the border if the numbers of migrants hits a specific threshold; adjusting the rules for who qualifies for asylum; expediting the process for deciding asylum claims; and allowing migrants authorization to work while awaiting adjudication of their asylum claim.
...
She clarified that there would be a mandated border shutdown when migrant traffic reaches 5,000 "approaches" per day, the president would have the option to institute a shutdown at earlier points.

Sinema told reporters on a call Sunday that the new provisions would have shut down the border every single day this year.

"Every single day this calendar year has been over that 4,000 threshold, and many of the days have been over the 5,000 threshold," Sinema said. "If this law were already in effect, the border would have been closed every single day this year."

Putin's Poodle Trump and the latter influence on the GOP party plus money plus a few Republicans sealed the bills fate.
ITS really ALL ABOUT UKRAINE.

 

[McBell]

We may have to dock all their pays and even look into their personal finances, and include that for repayment to the tax payers; shift the debt to those who OK'd the credit card scam without Congressional authorization.

I really do like that idea.
Start with Trump...

 

[SkepticThinker]

We all know that Biden never needed a bill in the first place.

You've repeated this several times already. Every other time you brought it up I pointed out that if Biden made an Executive Order or whatever it is that you're suggesting, I daresay you'd be calling him a commie dictator.

What well "all know" is that there is a bill sitting there RIGHT NOW that contains almost every single thing the Republicans want, that is going to go no where. Why? Because Trump told the Republicans not to vote on it. Why? Because then he won't have anything to run on anymore. Oh, and it would make Biden look good and we can't have that.

So what are the Republicans doing? Well, they're engaging in political theatre yet again! Impeaching Mayorkas without even citing any high crime or misdemeanor whatsoever. For " willfully refusing” to enforce border laws, or something. All the while, they're sitting on that bill that contains most of what they want, that address an issue that they keep claiming is a giant problem that needs immediate attention, that they have no intention of passing while Biden is President. Instead of negotiating that, they're wasting their time carrying out sham impeachments. So, doesn't that make them as impeachable as the guy they just impeached? For "willfully refusing" to do their jobs and negotiating a border bill? Yeah.

All that pork that has nothing to do with the border.

Democrats never wanted that bill to pass in the first place. You know it, I know it, everyone knows it.

Yep, blame everyone else for the Republicans' failings. That usually works.

 

[Twilight Hue]

You've repeated this several times already. Every other time you brought it up I pointed out that if Biden made an Executive Order or whatever it is that you're suggesting, I daresay you'd be calling him a commie dictator.

What well "all know" is that there is a bill sitting there RIGHT NOW that contains almost every single thing the Republicans want, that is going to go no where. Why? Because Trump told the Republicans not to vote on it. Why? Because then he won't have anything to run on anymore. Oh, and it would make Biden look good and we can't have that.

So what are the Republicans doing? Well, they're engaging in political theatre yet again! Impeaching Mayorkas without even citing any high crime or misdemeanor whatsoever. For " willfully refusing” to enforce border laws, or something. All the while, they're sitting on that bill that contains most of what they want, that address an issue that they keep claiming is a giant problem that needs immediate attention, that they have no intention of passing while Biden is President. Instead of negotiating that, they're wasting their time carrying out sham impeachments. So, doesn't that make them as impeachable as the guy they just impeached? For "willfully refusing" to do their jobs and negotiating a border bill? Yeah.



Yep, blame everyone else for the Republicans' failings. That usually works.

And I'm repeating that if Biden wanted to, he could stop the Border crisis today without ever having a bill to be put on the table. But he won't , and he dosent want the border to be under control.

 

[SkepticThinker]

And I'm repeating that if Biden wanted to, he could stop the Border crisis today without ever having a bill to be put on the table. But he won't , and he dosent want the border to be under control.

The fact that you're just repeating the same talking point yet again, speaks for itself, I think.

 

[sun rise]

Now we see that due to lack of border funding caused by MAGA, more people in custody are going to be released. MAGA will of course blame Democrats for what MAGA caused but that's S.O.P. for MAGA.

Meanwhile MAGA is opposing helping Ukraine, Israel and Taiwan. I'm sure that if Putin takes over Eastern Europe. Iran bombs the **** out of Israel and China conquers Taiwan, MAGA will blame Democrats for what MAGA did to help the dictators.

 

[Twilight Hue]

The fact that you're just repeating the same talking point yet again, speaks for itself, I think.

No. It's reflecting what the Biden regime has actually done and what the Biden regime is still refusing to do putting its priorities on having self serving pork over its constitutional duty to keep the borders in check.

 

[metis]

Some seemingly can't get it through their head that Biden is not a dictator, therefore he is bound by laws dealing with those seeking amnesty. The idea that he can wave a magic want and instantly shut off the influx is just so blatantly naive, but it's a talking point that so many of the Pubs have swallowed hook, line. and sinker.

 

[fantome profane]

And I'm repeating that if Biden wanted to, he could stop the Border crisis today without ever having a bill to be put on the table. But he won't , and he dosent want the border to be under control.

Repeat it as often as you want. Doesn't make it true.

 

[SkepticThinker]

No. It's reflecting what the Biden regime has actually done and what the Biden regime is still refusing to do putting its priorities on having self serving pork over its constitutional duty to keep the borders in check.

Ball's in the Republicans' court.

They decided to drop it and waste the time they could be using to negotiate and pass bipartisan legislation, on putting on a sham impeachment (with no actual charge of a high crime or misdemeanor) instead. That tells me they aren't really interested in fixing anything about the border. At least not on Biden's watch.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Blaming any of this on Trump is absolutely laughable.

This is blaming Trump?

I posted a link and a graph yesterday that showed how migrants changed from mostly single people, usually men looking for work, to entire families under Trump. Again, that change was probably not his fault.

 

[Subduction Zone]

This is blaming Trump?

Being honest is somehow always blaming Trump. When I point out that the inflation that arose was due to the spending on Covid, most of which happened under Trump. Something that had to be done for the country. That is somehow "blaming Trump" too. Of course it all arises from their bad logic. They want to falsely blame Biden for inflation. They want to blame Biden for the border problems. Both of those were problems that he inherited and was not the cause of. Even though I make it clear that those problems were not due to Trump's actions somehow showing that Biden was not at fault means "blaming Trump" to them.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Being honest is somehow always blaming Trump. When I point out that the inflation that arose was due to the spending on Covid, most of which happened under Trump. Something that had to be done for the country. That is somehow "blaming Trump" too. Of course it all arises from their bad logic. They want to falsely blame Biden for inflation. They want to blame Biden for the border problems. Both of those were problems that he inherited and was not the cause of. Even though I make it clear that those problems were not due to Trump's actions somehow showing that Biden was not at fault means "blaming Trump" to them.

Yeah, speaking of inflation I noticed gas was cheaper the other day than it was when Trump was in office.

 

[fantome profane]

Yeah, speaking of inflation I noticed gas was cheaper the other day than it was when Trump was in office.

Democrats should start putting up stickers.

(Actually I understand that the President has little effect on gas prices, but still, fair is fair.)