New Evidence Found To Show Humans Came From Fish

[BilliardsBall]

Most people don't believe in the same god you do, as if you added up non-Christian religious populations together you'd get more than Christians.
Also using a figure of speech isn't a testament of belief. I say Jiminy Cricket in polite company, that doesn't mean I believe a small, conscience stand-in bug actually exists.

Our words matter. Please don't use the name of my God for your curse.

 

[BilliardsBall]

Don't bother trying to read my thoughts. You're not very good at it.

Do you have something to add to the thread other than whining about how atheists shouldn't be here?

What you are calling whining is my religious sentiment and practice, yet you claim to support religious diversity. I call baloney.

 

[BilliardsBall]

Most people in the world do not believe in the same god that you do. That's what I was getting at.

I find your second point to be silly.

Do you use Jesus's name as a curse? If so, it's not a silly point. Prophecy declared, "The reproaches with which they reproached you, fell upon me." Put another way, it is a prediction of the OT that the Messiah's name would be cursed by those who curse unto God.

You are fulfilling Bible prophecy when you curse in the name of the Savior. Not silly at all--and thanks for helping to prove the Bible is true.

 

[BilliardsBall]

Sorry confused you with another Christian that does not like their opinion being questioned.



Nope, simple mistake as the creationist rhetoric is all the same



That does not align with common Christian idea such as the Holy Spirit.



Nope, pointing out some bad argument is not proselytizing



I have. Take a look at the "definition of atheist" thread from a year or two ago. I was in the minority in that thread. I was probably the only atheist against legalizing prostitution thread and the only vocal no vote. However there is also a key difference between atheists and theists here. Most atheist are agnostic while most theist present gnostic or evidence based arguments far more. Atheists are not going around claiming X book is true, theists are.



Sure. Gnostics have no ground to stand on for example

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Atheists are not going around claiming X book is true, theists are.

Yet you go around claiming X book is not true, despite:

1. Not having been there to see the events as they unfolded

2. Knowing far less about the Bible than any Christian who reads the scriptures daily

3. Claiming that you've never encountered God while the overwhelming majority in every culture, ever, has

You are standing holding your driver's license and I'm claiming you're not who you say you are. That is somewhere between stupidity and slander on my part.

But I understand you. I spend TONS of time on Tolkien forums proving hobbits don't exist. Good job!

 

[BilliardsBall]

That could almost be read as you saying that, on a board devoted to the subject of evolution vs. creationism, you're tired of people using it to defend evolution.

Also, you do realize that evolution does not necessitate atheism any more than say, erosion or chemistry, don't you?

No, I'm tired of people using a religions forum to promote secularism. That's nonsense.

And yes, some Christians believe in an old Earth and Evolution, but a straightforward reading of the scriptures disagrees. Have you read the scriptures? You seem big on defaming them.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

Our words matter. Please don't use the name of my God for your curse.

I'm about as worried about the effect on your God using the common catchphrase as you are about the Thor movie franchise being offensive to Norse pagans and Odin and Thor themselves. Or as worried about using the unobstructed term 'God' in written form to those Jewish members who find it disrespectful.

 

[Jose Fly]

No, I'm tired of people using a religions forum to promote secularism. That's nonsense.

I'm not sure what you mean by that. Are you equating evolution with secularism?

And yes, some Christians believe in an old Earth and Evolution, but a straightforward reading of the scriptures disagrees.

That's what you believe, millions of others believe differently. In fact, young-earth creationism is a minority viewpoint among the world's Christians.

Have you read the scriptures? You seem big on defaming them.

Yes I have read the Bible. And I have not said one word about the Bible one way or the other. That's not my intent here. I'm here to defend science.

 

[Shad]

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Yet you go around claiming X book is not true, despite:

Nope as it is a rejection of the theist claims regarding that book.

1. Not having been there to see the events as they unfolded

Irrelevant. I do not need to see Alexander to conclude he existed.

2. Knowing far less about the Bible than any Christian who reads the scriptures daily

Hilarious. You mean rejecting claims you take seriously that lack evidence in fields such as archaeology.

3. Claiming that you've never encountered God while the overwhelming majority in every culture, ever, has

Oh you mean cultures that make different claims about God to the point that the claims have nothing in common beside some vague God notion. Are Muslims talking about the supposed true God that is a Trinity.... Nope...

You are standing holding your driver's license and I'm claiming you're not who you say you are. That is somewhere between stupidity and slander on my part.

Nope as you strawman and conflate different views of God as if these are the same and true, nothing more.

But I understand you. I spend TONS of time on Tolkien forums proving hobbits don't exist. Good job!

Tolkien believers are not making grand claims about reality nor attempting to influence people's lives and politics because a hobbit told them to.

 

[SkepticThinker]

What you are calling whining is my religious sentiment and practice, yet you claim to support religious diversity. I call baloney.

I do not consider your "religious sentiment and practice" to be whining. I consider your whining about people being here that you don't like, to be whining.

I'm happy to have a discussion about the thread topic any time. Let me know when you are.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Do you use Jesus's name as a curse? If so, it's not a silly point. Prophecy declared, "The reproaches with which they reproached you, fell upon me." Put another way, it is a prediction of the OT that the Messiah's name would be cursed by those who curse unto God.

You are fulfilling Bible prophecy when you curse in the name of the Savior. Not silly at all--and thanks for helping to prove the Bible is true.

I use all kinds of curse words, when the need arises. I also say things like, "Jiminy Cricket" (as another poster apparently does) from time to time. It doesn't mean I believe Jiminy Cricket is real or that Pinocchio was a book of non-fiction. I've also cursed using "Poseidon's trident" and "the Devil's pajamas," yet I believe in neither Poseidon, his trident, nor the devil and his pajamas. I still consider it to be a silly point.

I wonder what prophecy I'm fulfilling when I curse Thor and his hammer.

Sorry but I don't put much stock in vague Biblical prophecies that individuals interpret for their own purposes.

 

[Satans_Serrated_Edge]

We can just ignore SSE because he's an internet atheist and doesn't know how to stick to a topic.

I actually dislike the term 'atheist' as I feel it gives far to much credit to a counterpoint that is far too ridiculous to meaningfully define a contrasting world view. May as well call myself an aleprechaunist for all the meaning it holds.

But anyway, I just taught you something. Not that I feel you have learned anything, but still, a little gratitude wouldn't kill you.

 

[james bond]

I actually dislike the term 'atheist' as I feel it gives far to much credit to a counterpoint that is far too ridiculous to meaningfully define a contrasting world view. May as well call myself an aleprechaunist for all the meaning it holds.

But anyway, I just taught you something. Not that I feel you have learned anything, but still, a little gratitude wouldn't kill you.

You can call yourself whatever you want, but it wasn't the point. It's just as I thought. Everything I've said and what other Christian and religious posters have said just goes in one ear and out the other with you and most atheists. And then they come back with these posts asking for evidence of God when it was already provided. Just look at the number of threads the atheists start here. It's variations of the same question. What made me realize atheists will never believe the evidence is when Professor Lawrence Krauss said he would reassess if God rearranged the stars to spell, "I'm here." Then another atheist stated to a newspaper that only half the earth would see it, so it was not evidence. After reading that, I've come to believe only pain and suffering would convince all atheists of God. That is ultimate power. That follows there is no atheists in the afterlife theory.

 

[Satans_Serrated_Edge]

You can call yourself whatever you want, but it wasn't the point. It's just as I thought. Everything I've said and what other Christian and religious posters have said just goes in one ear and out the other with you and most atheists. And then they come back with these posts asking for evidence of God when it was already provided. Just look at the number of threads the atheists start here. It's variations of the same question. What made me realize atheists will never believe the evidence is when Professor Lawrence Krauss said he would reassess if God rearranged the stars to spell, "I'm here." Then another atheist stated to a newspaper that only half the earth would see it, so it was not evidence. After reading that, I've come to believe only pain and suffering would convince all atheists of God. That is ultimate power. That follows there is no atheists in the afterlife theory.

Actually, I listen carefully, weigh and measure, ponder and examine.

Evidence has indeed been provided. Evidence that ideas seeded at childhood run deep. Evidence of a need to believe despite all reason and rational. Evidence that evidence itself can be manufactured and accepted from nowhere and nothing and that such evidence can and satiate such a mind, should the need to believe run deep enough.



Evidence of some magical being from bronze age writings? Not so much.

 

[BilliardsBall]

I'm about as worried about the effect on your God using the common catchphrase as you are about the Thor movie franchise being offensive to Norse pagans and Odin and Thor themselves. Or as worried about using the unobstructed term 'God' in written form to those Jewish members who find it disrespectful.

You are fulfilling prophecy, however, "The reproaches of those who reproached God fell on the Messiah."

I don't use Thor's name as a curse word.

 

[BilliardsBall]

I'm not sure what you mean by that. Are you equating evolution with secularism?



That's what you believe, millions of others believe differently. In fact, young-earth creationism is a minority viewpoint among the world's Christians.



Yes I have read the Bible. And I have not said one word about the Bible one way or the other. That's not my intent here. I'm here to defend science.

Defend science from what, precisely? Alternative hypotheses? That is science.

 

[BilliardsBall]

Nope as it is a rejection of the theist claims regarding that book.



Irrelevant. I do not need to see Alexander to conclude he existed.



Hilarious. You mean rejecting claims you take seriously that lack evidence in fields such as archaeology.



Oh you mean cultures that make different claims about God to the point that the claims have nothing in common beside some vague God notion. Are Muslims talking about the supposed true God that is a Trinity.... Nope...



Nope as you strawman and conflate different views of God as if these are the same and true, nothing more.



Tolkien believers are not making grand claims about reality nor attempting to influence people's lives and politics because a hobbit told them to.

1. What is your evidence that Alexander existed? The same as that for Christ, documentary and historian evidence. You erred only in assuming that there is no God or supernatural. You bring those biases to your interpretation of the texts. In fact, Jesus had farm more contemporaries writing about His life and teachings, and in-depth, than Alexander had.

2. God told me to influence people's lives. Who told you to tell us we are wrong? (The unholy trinity of You, Yourself and Me, yes?)

 

[ADigitalArtist]

You are fulfilling prophecy, however, "The reproaches of those who reproached God fell on the Messiah."

I don't put stock in Christian prophecy so... *shrug*

I don't use Thor's name as a curse word.

I never claimed you did, nor was it a necessary part of my reply.

 

[BilliardsBall]

I do not consider your "religious sentiment and practice" to be whining. I consider your whining about people being here that you don't like, to be whining.

I'm happy to have a discussion about the thread topic any time. Let me know when you are.

Again, I can't find where you found the moxy to tell me how to practice my religion. And you aren't approaching me from the basis of your "deep" religious experience, either.

PS. I don't dislike you or any atheists. I just would appreciate your taking your aggression out elsewhere, you know, the way you tell preachers in public to keep it in a church.

 

[BilliardsBall]

I don't put stock in Christian prophecy so... *shrug*


I never claimed you did, nor was it a necessary part of my reply.

I see. You really should, after all, dozens of predictions that are falsifiable/testifiable/verifiable came true in modern Israel, in 1948. There's no reason to avoid comparing Bible prophecies with facts we can verify here and now. I haven't seen Jesus, and ancient verification is a trickier thing to accomplish, but I can never abandon Christianity, not after seeing news stories of the modern era that fit Bible prophecy specifically, perfectly.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

Defend science from what, precisely? Alternative hypotheses? That is science.

Creationism doesn't merit being called a hypothesis according to the vast majority of atheists and scientists. We even had that big trial where it was established that Creationism isn't science.